The truth about 2nd hand smoke..

#152
#152
allvol123 said:
I prefer each have a choice. They can choose privately run businesses that choose to be friendly or unfriendly to smokers. Or even a business that decides to play it down the middle. Either way, I have no need for the government to protect me from second hand smoke. We are creating a country of sheep that can't make a decision without big brother helping them.
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That's a bit extreme. You act like no one wanted this to happen.
 
#154
#154
kptvol said:
That's a bit extreme. You act like no one wanted this to happen.
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I am speaking in general. People seem all too happy to have the government "fix" things for them, when there really isn't anything to "fix" in the first place. It baffles me that adults really had an issue with this. I have been dining out for 20+ years and never encountered such conditions that I thought a law needed to be created for me to dine in comfort.
 
#155
#155
allvol123 said:
Exactly, so non-smokers that hate eating around smokers have many options.
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Yep. Smokers can also dine in their homes and smoke to their heart's content. Again, if restaurants want to cater to smoker's they are free to do that.

Everyone was saying non-smokers should go out and make their own restaurants and create their own market. And for some reason that was fair. Why is it unfair to expect smokers to do the same?
 
#156
#156
allvol123 said:
I am speaking in general. People seem all too happy to have the government "fix" things for them, when there really isn't anything to "fix" in the first place.
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What else have we let the government fix unnecessarily?
 
#157
#157
kptvol said:
Yep. Smokers can also dine in their homes and smoke to their heart's content. Again, if restaurants want to cater to smoker's they are free to do that.

Everyone was saying non-smokers should go out and make their own restaurants and create their own market. And for some reason that was fair. Why is it unfair to expect smokers to do the same?
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It's not, I just prefer the government stay out of it.
 
#159
#159
allvol123 said:
I'll point back to the HOV lane for something off the top of my head.
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Soooo. Do you feel like your rights have been restricted because you are unable to drive in one lane if you are alone in your vehicle? I'm going to require more than that before I take up my rifle to fight the government.
 
#160
#160
kptvol said:
Soooo. Do you feel like your rights have been restricted because you are unable to drive in one lane if you are alone in your vehicle? I'm going to require more than that before I take up my rifle to fight the government.
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Who said anything about taking up a rifle? Just an example of governing where governing is not needed. Someone decided they need to manage traffic, curb pollution, encourage energy conservation...God knows what...I have no idea who was trying to do what. I just know I see 25% of the intrestate being completely underutilized, meanwhile the other 75% of the interstate is jam packed bumper to bumper. But at least I am getting a rebate on my taxes since I don't use it.
 
#164
#164
Some info on 2nd hand smoke from the American Cancer Society:

ACS :: Secondhand Smoke

Secondhand smoke is classified as a "known human carcinogen" (cancer-causing agent) by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the US National Toxicology Program, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a branch of the World Health Organization.
Secondhand smoke can be harmful in many ways. In the United States alone, each year it is responsible for:
  • an estimated 35,000 deaths from heart disease in non-smokers who live with smokers
  • about 3,400 lung cancer deaths in non-smoking adults
  • other breathing problems in non-smokers, including coughing, mucus, chest discomfort, and reduced lung function
  • 150,000 to 300,000 lung infections (such as pneumonia and bronchitis) in children younger than 18 months of age, which result in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations
  • increases in the number and severity of asthma attacks in about 200,000 to 1 million children who have asthma
  • more than 750,000 middle ear infections in children
The 2006 US Surgeon General's report reached several important conclusions:
  • Secondhand smoke causes premature death and disease in children and in adults who do not smoke.
  • Children exposed to secondhand smoke are at an increased risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), acute respiratory infections, ear problems, and more severe asthma. Smoking by parents causes breathing (respiratory) symptoms and slows lung growth in their children.
  • Secondhand smoke immediately affects the heart and blood circulation in a harmful way. It also causes heart disease and lung cancer.
  • The scientific evidence shows that there is no "safe" level of exposure to secondhand smoke.
  • Many millions of Americans, both children and adults, are still exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes and workplaces despite a great deal of progress in tobacco control.
  • The only way to fully protect non-smokers from exposure to secondhand smoke indoors is to prevent all smoking in that indoor space or building. Separating smokers from non-smokers, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot keep non-smokers from being exposed to secondhand smoke.
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#167
#167
Thanks for the info Oklavol. I never argued there was zero harm from second hand smoke. Just prefer government stay out of matters such as this. When we going to ban swimming pools, they are deadly as well.
 
#171
#171
allvol123 said:
Much more restrictive. These are telling a private business owner that a legal activity can't be done at HIS business. Just go ahead and outlaw smoking altogther if it is that dangerous.

When are we going to outlaw bad drivers? They stress me out and thus are unhealthy to me. Loud cell phone talkers bother me as well. Stress is probably as dangerous as second hand smoke, if not more.
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Woman that wear a lot of perfume should be outlawed...
 
#174
#174
oklavol said:
Is perfume a known carcinogen?
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Nope, but it bother some people's allergies (I know this because I have a family member that has bad reactions to perfumes that are too strong).

I should write my city councilman and tell them that they should ban women from wearing perfume. I mean, why should anyone in my family have to deal with that when they are out enjoying a meal.
 
#175
#175
Rasputin_Vol said:
Nope, but it bother some people's allergies (I know this because I have a family member that has bad reactions to perfumes that are too strong).

I should write my city councilman and tell them that they should ban women from wearing perfume. I mean, why should anyone in my family have to deal with that when they are out enjoying a meal.
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If someone is spraying perfume onto your relative I would be willing to bet the restaurant would do something about it. However, you can't control what odors people acquire in their own homes. A person stinking of cigarette smoke could also bother someone's allergies. In those rare instances, someone would just have to move tables.
 
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