The Vatican set to embrace Evolution

[Sabanocchio]

It's probably entertaining to you because you don't understand the implications the theory has on research in these fields. I took two semesters of college level biology in school and the entire year was devoted to understanding the theory. It is the basis of everything in the biological field, and hence, the medical and dental fields. The next time you need a surgery of some sort, you can thank Darwin for providing the framework for doctors to understand how and why the body works the way it does.

Bravo, sir. Well done.

 

[rjd970]

Again, I don't know what ID claims so I can't really comment about that. I sympathize with Vols 4 Life in that evolution is clearly scientific inquiry and bounded by the rules of scientific inquiry. What the Catholic church or any religion believes is more spiritual inquiry with a different set of rules. Of course they cross but often they are tangental or even complimentary. In other words, they aren't directly competing theories.

Using Evolution to disprove God is as futile as using God to disprove Evolution.

Supernatural explanations and scientific explanations should never cross, by definition.

 

[rjd970]

sweet. You took biology classes and I still don't buy it. Pretending that evolution is the basis of medical study is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Biology and anatomy are biology and anatomy. Evolution is a related field, to be sure, but calling it the basis is nothing more than entertainment.

I rest my case.

 

[droski]

sweet. You took biology classes and I still don't buy it. Pretending that evolution is the basis of medical study is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Biology and anatomy are biology and anatomy. Evolution is a related field, to be sure, but calling it the basis is nothing more than entertainment.

i'd have to agree. the search for knowledge of human biology started well before darwin was born.

 

[Sabanocchio]

sweet. You took biology classes and I still don't buy it. Pretending that evolution is the basis of medical study is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Biology and anatomy are biology and anatomy. Evolution is a related field, to be sure, but calling it the basis is nothing more than entertainment.

Not worth it.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I rest my case.

and you should if you're going to try and pretend that I can thank evolutionary theory for open heart surgery.

 

[volinbham]

Supernatural explanations and scientific explanations should never cross, by definition.

This missing part of this is the belief that "natural" (western-based scientific explanations) are the only right ones.

The western view of scientific inquiry has very strict rules including theory building and empirical verification. Those rules may or may not fit all phenomena.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Bravo, sir. Well done.

by supporting a point, you only serve to weaken it.

 

[rjd970]

i'd have to agree. the search for knowledge of human biology started well before darwin was born.

Modern medicine, and almost every beneficial advancement since, starts with the study of evolution. It is not a mistake that anybody wanting to go into the medical fields learn the basics of this theory from the beginning.

 

[Sabanocchio]

can you not read. Please do so before making a bigger clown of yourself. My suggestion is that you keep to the recruiting boards and whackjob religious threads.

I hope you won't mind if I take your suggestions and take a huge dump on them. That's all that they are worth. It's good for you that you take a strong stance on things. Probably not so good that you are so often on the losing end of arguments.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I hope you won't mind if I take your suggestions and take a huge dump on them. That's all that they are worth. It's good for you that you take a strong stance on things. Probably not so good that you are so often on the losing end of arguments.

read the post. He has absolutely said exactly what you said he did not.

Remind me when I was on the losing end of an argument, particularly with you.

 

[Sabanocchio]

by supporting a point, you only serve to weaken it.

To those who's opinions matter none to me, perhaps. But those same can kiss my derriere if they have a problem with it. I will post where and what I please as long as it's within the guidelines of this forum. You would be wise to keep your criticisms to your own posting habits.

 

[volinbham]

Modern medicine, and almost every beneficial advancement since, starts with the study of evolution. It is not a mistake that anybody wanting to go into the medical fields learn the basics of this theory from the beginning.

They also learn many other topics - seems like a stretch to claim the theory of evolution is the BASIS for modern medicine.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Modern medicine, and almost every beneficial advancement since, starts with the study of evolution. It is not a mistake that anybody wanting to go into the medical fields learn the basics of this theory from the beginning.

what does that mean? Since when? What does evolution have to do with modern surgery, techniques or otherwise. I see a tie to cancer and cancer research, but that has all proven a dead end to date.

 

[rjd970]

by supporting a point, you only serve to weaken it.

Coming from the guy that doesn't even understand what evolutionary theory says, or doesn't understand the difference between gravitation and gravitational theory.

I think you are brilliant with your financial knowledge and insight. But you have no clue what you are talking about with this.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Coming from the guy that doesn't even understand what evolutionary theory says, or doesn't understand the difference between gravitation and gravitational theory.

I think you are brilliant with your financial knowledge and insight. But you have no clue what you are talking about with this.

Tell me what part of evolutionary theory, either micro or macro that I don't get, then tell my why as an undergraduate engineering major with PE stamp, that you have taken a semantics exercise to conclude that I don't get gravitation vs. gravitational theory.

You have yet to support your silly point that evolution is the basis of medicine and dentistry. Make that happen and I'll concede.

In fact, I just got off the phone with one of my golf partners who happens to be an MD and he told me you're absolutely lost.

 

[rjd970]

what does that mean? Since when? What does evolution have to do with modern surgery, techniques or otherwise. I see a tie to cancer and cancer research, but that has all proven a dead end to date.

This is staggeringly short-sighted. You are clueless if you don't think it is important for a heart surgeon to understand why the body is the way it is.

How about we just skip over the biology part of medicine, and just do a dance and pray for the heart to heal itself?

 

[BigPapaVol]

I will do so after you address the stupidity which you continue to exhibit on a daily basis.

Meaning, you're aware of the stupidity, understand it was dead wrong and have no response, as you call be the argument loser.

That pretty well fits.

 

[droski]

Modern medicine, and almost every beneficial advancement since, starts with the study of evolution. It is not a mistake that anybody wanting to go into the medical fields learn the basics of this theory from the beginning.

so how exactly does evolution help one know how to cure the human body? i'm not saying you are wrong at all, i just have never heard this.

 

[volinbham]

Bored, I did a quick Google search on ToE and Medical curriculum. From what I gather, there are proponents of having a deeper understanding of ToE in medical education but it doesn't appear to be widespread and there is some debate between proponents and those who feel it isn't critical to medical education.

 

[Sabanocchio]

Meaning, you're aware of the stupidity, understand it was dead wrong and have no response, as you call be the argument loser.

That pretty well fits.

Arrogance doesn't make you right, BPV. It just makes you arrogant. You'd be wise to remember that.

 

[BigPapaVol]

This is staggeringly short-sighted. You are clueless if you don't think it is important for a heart surgeon to understand why the body is the way it is.

How about we just skip over the biology part of medicine, and just do a dance and pray for the heart to heal itself?

I never advocated skipping biology. I said biology and anatomy are part and parcel to medicine, while evolution is nothing but a sideshow.

The heart surgeon has to understand the body is the way it is and why it might be defective, not how it might have morphed over the last 50K years.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Arrogance doesn't make you right, BPV. It just makes you arrogant. You'd be wise to remember that.

lack of it makes you no less wrong. It's easy for you, the picture boy, to come in here and call me wrong with nothing but the keyboard you're typing on. It's different to come in here without being dead to rights wrong with something other than words.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Bored, I did a quick Google search on ToE and Medical curriculum. From what I gather, there are proponents of having a deeper understanding of ToE in medical education but it doesn't appear to be widespread and there is some debate between proponents and those who feel it isn't critical to medical education.

and like I said, I just got off the phone with one of my golf partners, who is a cardiovascular surgeon and he said anyone barking up that tree is stretching at best and dead wrong at worst. Medicine is more about empirical research and trial and error than it is evolution.

Just put in a call to my neighbor, who is a dentist to get that end of the story. I can't imagine it will be any different than what I just heard.

 

[Sabanocchio]

lack of it makes you no less wrong. It's easy for you, the picture boy, to come in here and call me wrong with nothing but the keyboard you're typing on. It's different to come in here without being dead to rights wrong with something other than words.

I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt. Should I issue a public apology? Would that make you feel better?