The war on Christmas trees

#51
#51
The sooner he heads back to Chicago the better off we will be.



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#53
#53
theFallGuy said:
Are you the guy that stole Obama's teleprompter? Or do you just read the same lines out of the same book as the Democratic Party?
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LOL..I'm not the guy

Whatever. I doubt it's in the Democratic playbook for me to be pro-choice AND anti-union. I doubt it's in the Democratic playbook for me to believe it's ok for gays to get married yet be a fiscal conservative. I doubt it's in the Democratic playbook for me to be pro-military yet support the removal of the ceiling on the SS tax. I love Christmas and think it's silly to remove the word from so many holiday slogans. I doubt that's in the Dem playbook either

I am a registered Democrat and not ashamed to admit it. My ideology could probably be described as a conservative liberal.
 
#54
#54
2ironVol said:
LOL..I'm not the guy

Whatever. I doubt it's in the Democratic playbook for me to be pro-choice AND anti-union. I doubt it's in the Democratic playbook for me to believe it's ok for gays to get married yet be a fiscal conservative. I doubt it's in the Democratic playbook for me to be pro-military yet support the removal of the ceiling on the SS tax. I love Christmas and think it's silly to remove the word from so many holiday slogans. I doubt that's in the Dem playbook either

I am a registered Democrat and not ashamed to admit it. My ideology could probably be described as a conservative liberal.
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if you don't fit into one of the two partisan parties then you don't know what you believe or why you believe in it. Sjt told me that.
 
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2ironVol said:
And LG's point is that the hardcore rightwingers never said a word about similar programs during the Bush years.

I agree it's totally knee-jerk and reactionary, which BTW, isn't too atypical for a hardcore conservative
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Isn't it knee-jerk and reactionary to say this is typical for hardcore conservatives?

On the larger point, you'll notice I didn't blame Obama. I simply pointed out that GOVERNMENT is involved in something they shouldn't be. If someone started a thread about W doing this I'd be equally harsh. It is ludicrous that Feds are involved at this level regardless of administration or party.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
if you don't fit into one of the two partisan parties then you don't know what you believe or why you believe in it. Sjt told me that.
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SJT is one of those guys that will speak as if he is in the know on virtually every subject without really knowing what he is talking about. He's probably fooled lots of people, but not those more informed than him.

There it is in a nutshell. :)
 
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#58
It's a backwards way to get everyone to switch to Holiday Trees! Geesh people, wake up!
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#59
Would anyone like to bet which party's administration has been in power more often when these government ag programs have been inacted?

I will give you a hint: it's not the Democrats
 
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2ironVol said:
Would anyone like to bet which party's administration has been in power more often when these government ag programs have been inacted?

I will give you a hint: it's not the Democrats
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#62
#62
2ironVol said:
Would anyone like to bet which party's administration has been in power more often when these government ag programs have been inacted?

I will give you a hint: it's not the Democrats
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Presidents or Congresses? I'm not sure you're 100% on that.
 
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#63
bamawriter said:
Presidents or Congresses? I'm not sure you're 100% on that.
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Congress isn't ever referred to as an administration so obviously I am talking about Presidents. It's not even close either.

D 1966 Cotton (LBJ)
R 1971 Potatoes (Nixon)
R 1974 Eggs (Nixon? Ford?)
R 1983 Dairy Products (Reagan)
R 1984 Honey (Reagan)
R 1985 Beef (Reagan)
R 1985 Pork (Reagan)
R 1985 Watermelon (Reagan)
R 1990 Fluid Milk (Bush Sr)
R 1990 Mushrooms (Bush Sr)
R 1990 Soybeans (Bush Sr)
D 1996 Popcorn (Clinton)
D 1999 Peanuts (Clinton)
D 2000 Avocados (Clinton)
R 2002 Lamb (Bush Jr)
R 2004 Mangos (Bush Jr)
R 2008 Sorghum (Bush Jr)
R 2008 Honey (Bush Jr)
D 2011 Blueberries (Obama)
D 2011 Christmas Trees (Obama)

Republicans 14
Democrats 6

Of course, this is more of an indictment on the lobbying process than it is political party.

Just some facts for some of you that often label inappropriately
 
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#64
2ironVol said:
Congress isn't ever referred to as an administration so obviously I am talking about Presidents. It's not even close either.

D 1966 Cotton (LBJ)
R 1971 Potatoes (Nixon)
R 1974 Eggs (Nixon? Ford?)
R 1983 Dairy Products (Reagan)
R 1984 Honey (Reagan)
R 1985 Beef (Reagan)
R 1985 Pork (Reagan)
R 1985 Watermelon (Reagan)
R 1990 Fluid Milk (Bush Sr)
R 1990 Mushrooms (Bush Sr)
R 1990 Soybeans (Bush Sr)
D 1996 Popcorn (Clinton)
D 1999 Peanuts (Clinton)
D 2000 Avocados (Clinton)
R 2002 Lamb (Bush Jr)
R 2004 Mangos (Bush Jr)
R 2008 Sorghum (Bush Jr)
R 2008 Honey (Bush Jr)
D 2011 Blueberries (Obama)
D 2011 Christmas Trees (Obama)

Republicans 14
Democrats 6
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Sounds about right. Since LBJ, Republicans account for like 8 of the 12 presidential terms. The parties are nearly indistinguishable in their big government agendas.
 
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2ironVol said:
Congress isn't ever referred to as an administration so obviously I am talking about Presidents. It's not even close either.

D 1966 Cotton (LBJ)
R 1971 Potatoes (Nixon)
R 1974 Eggs (Nixon? Ford?)
R 1983 Dairy Products (Reagan)
R 1984 Honey (Reagan)
R 1985 Beef (Reagan)
R 1985 Pork (Reagan)
R 1985 Watermelon (Reagan)
R 1990 Fluid Milk (Bush Sr)
R 1990 Mushrooms (Bush Sr)
R 1990 Soybeans (Bush Sr)
D 1996 Popcorn (Clinton)
D 1999 Peanuts (Clinton)
D 2000 Avocados (Clinton)
R 2002 Lamb (Bush Jr)
R 2004 Mangos (Bush Jr)
R 2008 Sorghum (Bush Jr)
R 2008 Honey (Bush Jr)
D 2011 Blueberries (Obama)
D 2011 Christmas Trees (Obama)

Republicans 14
Democrats 6

Of course, this is more of an indictment on the lobbying process than it is political party.

Just some facts for some of you that often label inappropriately
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I'm asking simply because I don't know, but how many of these subsidies were passed by executive order, and how many were passed by congress?
 
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#66
lawgator1 said:
You people are such blithering idiots! Just repeat the Fox News echo chamber, with no fricking clue what you are talking about.

This is an INDUSTRY proposed and supported initiative, designed to self-fund ads to encourage people to buy their real tress, instead of artificial trees.

Christmas tree program gets green light - chicagotribune.com

The industry will even get to vote in 3 years whether to keep it. It was debated for a year or so.

My God, you just fall for every piece of crap bait that the morons put out, don't you?
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The industry doesn't have to pay this tax, the customers do, so why wouldn't they support it? Also, aren't all federal taxes required to be originated in the House? Ya know, that pesky constitution thingy.
 
#67
#67
I guess Obama is now reconsidering this tax... even though according to LG he had nothing to do with it.
 
#68
#68
2ironVol said:
Congress isn't ever referred to as an administration so obviously I am talking about Presidents. It's not even close either.

D 1966 Cotton (LBJ)
R 1971 Potatoes (Nixon)
R 1974 Eggs (Nixon? Ford?)
R 1983 Dairy Products (Reagan)
R 1984 Honey (Reagan)
R 1985 Beef (Reagan)
R 1985 Pork (Reagan)
R 1985 Watermelon (Reagan)
R 1990 Fluid Milk (Bush Sr)
R 1990 Mushrooms (Bush Sr)
R 1990 Soybeans (Bush Sr)
D 1996 Popcorn (Clinton)
D 1999 Peanuts (Clinton)
D 2000 Avocados (Clinton)
R 2002 Lamb (Bush Jr)
R 2004 Mangos (Bush Jr)
R 2008 Sorghum (Bush Jr)
R 2008 Honey (Bush Jr)
D 2011 Blueberries (Obama)
D 2011 Christmas Trees (Obama)

Republicans 14
Democrats 6

Of course, this is more of an indictment on the lobbying process than it is political party.

Just some facts for some of you that often label inappropriately
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I'm asking because I don't know - are these industry groups that are supported by Federal taxes on products or are the just ag. industry groups that have banded together.
 
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#69
Arclight said:
The sooner he heads back to Chicago the better off we will be.



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2ironVol said:
SJT is one of those guys that will speak as if he is in the know on virtually every subject without really knowing what he is talking about. He's probably fooled lots of people, but not those more informed than him.

There it is in a nutshell. :)
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And you would NOT be someone who is more informed
than him, that in a nutshell!

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MG1968 said:
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I think he meant 'enacted', 'inactive' would be the
bat guano mashie niblick calls brain matter.

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#71
#71
lawgator1 said:
You could say that about just about any product these days.

Hey, if the industry thinks its a good idea, proposes it, votes on it, has the right to repeal it, then what is all the screeching about?
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Because an industry shouldn't be able to set taxes?

Sounds like something anti-trusty to me.
 
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