the welfare box

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KB5252 said:
His grasp of true conservatism is pretty solid, even if he does have his personal problems. But then again half the liberal Hollywood elite do as well, yet liberals hold them up as if they are shinning examples to the world. Everyone has their problems.
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I'll read US Weekly for the hollywood gossip for the same reason I'll listen to Rush. Pure comic relief.
 
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DAVOL said:
and what % do you think that is maybe .0004% it just kills me to hear conservatives (including friends of mine) bitch about welfare constantly and yet did not hear much of a peep on this board when 11 billion in cash just went missing in Iraq.
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well that .0004% is .0004 too much, sure call me heartless or whatever, but i can think of quite a bit that the money could go towards.

11 bill that went missing in iraq? let me guess, bush, cheney, limbaugh, and the rest of us conservatives went oceans 11 right? what about the billions that are be stolen from our kids because of this stupid stimulus plan thats got more pork then a pigfarm?
 
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DAVOL said:
Regan must have believed it cause that is how he started his 1980 pres campaign in philadelphia, MS raising hell about the "cadillac driving welfare queens".
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Lets be intellectually honest here. Was he complaining because he thought half of the welfare crowd were driving Cadillacs or was he infuriated that there were people out there who abused the system while driving nice cars? Logic would tell you the later.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I'll read US Weekly for the hollywood gossip for the same reason I'll listen to Rush. Pure comic relief.
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I do not listen to Rush either. Just don't care for it. Hollywood is about the same, hypocritical, holier than though attitudes really turn me off.
 
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KB5252 said:
I do not listen to Rush either. Just don't care for it. Hollywood is about the same, hypocritical, holier than though attitudes really turn me off.
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I'll tune into Rush every now and then. He's the political equivalent of Howard Stearn and provides some entertainment on a rare occasion.
 
#57
#57
I seriously doubt 75 to 80% of welfare cases are legitmate. The government is just too lazy to have those good a numbers at anything. I'd be surprised if 60% of them are legitmate. They just don't do their job very well is the bottom line. I have no probelm for the ones who are getting it legit, for the others, get a job. Not much else to say on that one.
 
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#58
I am interested in opinions about the article on Monday in the Sentinel about a homeless man trying to turn his life around.

A homeless person?s perspective: Seeking a normal life : Local News : Knoxville News Sentinel

"A convicted felon and recovering addict who’s stayed sober four months and counting, ...His addictions have cost him some 15 years in various jails and prisons...Added to that are another 15 years living on and off the streets, most recently since March 2008, when he was evicted from the publicly subsidized Townview Towers in Knoxville after police found a crack cocaine pipe in his apartment."

"At 59 years old, the Chicago native insists that he’d be happy just to hold down a job and mind his own business."

"Permanent housing, along with the support of case managers for tenants, is the core strategy of the Knoxville-Knox County 10-Year Plan to End Chronic Homelessness, which is focused on the most problematic 600 to 800 among the area’s 8,000 or so homeless people in a given year.

The chronically homeless account for more than half of all local resources spent on the homeless — including overnight shelters, emergency room visits, psychiatric treatment and incarceration. Those taxpayer costs average some $37,000 per chronically homeless person each year"

I felt sorry for the man at first, but then started thinking about it. He seemed to have come from a descent family. He was the only one of his brothers and sisters that got into drugs. He has not been diagnosed with any mental illnesses, but yet we spend 37k for people like him while more than likely he will end up using drugs again.

I don't have an answer for the situation, but was curious about your thoughts. I don't want to leave him to dry but I definitely don't want to waste anymore money on him either.
 
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vols4sure said:
I don't have an answer for the situation, but was curious about your thoughts. I don't want to leave him to dry but I definitely don't want to waste anymore money on him either.
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The simple solution, hold the programs receiving taxpayer money accountable to a success rate.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
The simple solution, hold the programs receiving taxpayer money accountable to a success rate.
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What kind of success rate would you think would be acceptable. My guess is that it would have to be fairly low or the program would go under.

Then, if the program might go under, you would have workers inflate the success rate to keep the funding.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
The simple solution, hold the programs receiving taxpayer money accountable to a success rate.
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unfortunately, political correctness will prevent any social program from being held to some standard of success.
 
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vols4sure said:
What kind of success rate would you think would be acceptable. My guess is that it would have to be fairly low or the program would go under.

Then, if the program might go under, you would have workers inflate the success rate to keep the funding.
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Start off with low expectations that increase over time. Define success as a "graduate" that stays off welfare for X amount of time.

If a program goes under, there are hundreds more that would step in and take the funding to provide the assistance.
 
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MG1968 said:
unfortunately, political correctness will prevent any social program from being held to some standard of success.
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In all the ineptness of the NCAA, they initiated a graduation rate criteria to scholarship numbers. If that group of morons can handle it, I have a little faith in Washington being able to step up.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
In all the ineptness of the NCAA, they initiated a graduation rate criteria to scholarship numbers. If that group of morons can handle it, I have a little faith in Washington being able to step up.
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the NCAA is a business that is accountable to a customer base and has a desire to make a profit. Politicians have no such pressures save at election time, and all they have to do then is pander.
 
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