Think we can dispense with the notion that NIL is why we're doing well in recruiting

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turbovol said:
NIL is a joke--a disaster. Where came this idea that student-athletes are being exploited? It's nonsense. Revenue-sport scholarships provide a free college education. That is a big deal worth abot $200K over 4 years--plus medical care, counseling, tutoring, all the rest. Others get partial scholarships worth a lot of money.

If a private company sells T-shirts, jerseys or whatever with a players name on it, I'm ok with the player getting a cut of the sale or with making some money if he's part of a TV commercial for the local lumber yard or whatever--and I think this was the original idea behind NIL and the Supreme Court decision. But of course it quickly spiraled out of control because the NCAA didn't establish any rules and because, even if it did, how would it monitor and enforce deals of one kind or another going down at every school in the country? Now of course NIL is just a license to bribe kids and their families--bribe them to sign with your school or bribe them to switch from another school to your school. It's the further corruption and professionalization of college sports. What's more, how are the other 20 good players on a football team going to feel if they're not among the 3-4 players with nice NIL deals? They're going to be pissed--and how's that for team cohesion? Not good.

Look at the one-and-done for basketball. I get that a player should be be able to quit school and turn pro whenever he wants. But at the same time the 1-and-done has made a mockery of the game, in some ways. You've got coaches chasing these 5-stars for their programs; you sign them, and then they're gone when they're finally starting to get it. And then you do it again the next year, and the next. Calipari--the kind of 1-and-done--has won 1 national title at Kentucky. It's all a big mess.
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How does that compare to a multi-billion industry that they help create/maintain? Dude shut up with that...they deserve to get paid
 
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Volfan76 said:
Whatever you need to tell yourself. Go take a look at how many kids are in the transfer portal. Were that many kids wrong about the loyalty and organization pride? What about all the kids that left, are leaving or will leave UT? Let me guess.... they are traitors while the kids who come here just realized that something (other than money) was missing from their last college and UT was all of those things?? Please...if you got offered 20% more money you would jump to another job without a second thought. I'm guessing that won't happen though because you are too busy being the realist post police to get any work done.
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I got offered a significant raise (north of 20%) and turned it down to stay at my current job bc I value the non-monetary benefits and the leadership exceeds any I’ve ever worked for/with.
 
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turbovol said:
NIL is a joke--a disaster. Where came this idea that student-athletes are being exploited? It's nonsense. Revenue-sport scholarships provide a free college education. That is a big deal worth abot $200K over 4 years--plus medical care, counseling, tutoring, all the rest. Others get partial scholarships worth a lot of money.

If a private company sells T-shirts, jerseys or whatever with a players name on it, I'm ok with the player getting a cut of the sale or with making some money if he's part of a TV commercial for the local lumber yard or whatever--and I think this was the original idea behind NIL and the Supreme Court decision. But of course it quickly spiraled out of control because the NCAA didn't establish any rules and because, even if it did, how would it monitor and enforce deals of one kind or another going down at every school in the country? Now of course NIL is just a license to bribe kids and their families--bribe them to sign with your school or bribe them to switch from another school to your school. It's the further corruption and professionalization of college sports. What's more, how are the other 20 good players on a football team going to feel if they're not among the 3-4 players with nice NIL deals? They're going to be pissed--and how's that for team cohesion? Not good.

Look at the one-and-done for basketball. I get that a player should be be able to quit school and turn pro whenever he wants. But at the same time the 1-and-done has made a mockery of the game, in some ways. You've got coaches chasing these 5-stars for their programs; you sign them, and then they're gone when they're finally starting to get it. And then you do it again the next year, and the next. Calipari--the kind of 1-and-done--has won 1 national title at Kentucky. It's all a big mess.
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You seem to affirm a player's right to profit from their own name, image and likeness, yet want to limit the amount and avenues by which they can do so. And the limiting factor in your scenario is arbitrary. Further, you seem to have the opinion that, since your arbitrary limitations will be impossible to enforce, the best course would just be to just completely infringe upon the player's right to profit from their own Name, Image and Likeness-all to enforce your personal ideal of amateurism in a sport that's making everyone else rich.

As a proponent of personal freedoms, that's a hard NO for me, dog.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I changed jobs with a substantial increase in pay last year, but mainly because I was no longer happy where I was. I am being offered another substantial increase now, but am VERY undecided since I'm pretty satisfied and fulfilled where I am.
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Coach Heupel, is that you???
 
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So over this same discussion with the haters. These young people deserve to make money for their name, image and likeness. Why should the coaches, the faculty, the school, the SEC, and Nike be the only ones making money when not one of them sacrifices their body on the field?!

An education is not worth that. A lot of these kids could have gotten most of their school paid for anyway through scholarships, state programs and grants. And 200k education over 4 years being the only form of payment is a joke, when the coaches and university powers make 3-5 times that a year, minimum.

I don’t know if it’s jealousy or just stubbornness but you’re not right if you think the only thing these kids deserve is an education. You’re just not, flat out, even the Supreme Court agrees.

If your job said they would only give you an education for 4 years, which you still had to earn, but not pay you in any way, would you work for them and make them money? No. So why should these young people do that?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You seem to affirm a player's right to profit from their own name, image and likeness, yet want to limit the amount and avenues by which they can do so. And the limiting factor in your scenario is arbitrary. Further, you seem to have the opinion that, since your arbitrary limitations will be impossible to enforce, the best course would just be to just completely infringe upon the player's right to profit from their own Name, Image and Likeness-all to enforce your personal ideal of amateurism in a sport that's making everyone else rich.

As a proponent of personal freedoms, that's a hard NO for me, dog.
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Major round of applause. Say it again for the boomers in the back.
 
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turbovol said:
NIL is a joke--a disaster. Where came this idea that student-athletes are being exploited? It's nonsense. Revenue-sport scholarships provide a free college education. That is a big deal worth abot $200K over 4 years--plus medical care, counseling, tutoring, all the rest. Others get partial scholarships worth a lot of money.

If a private company sells T-shirts, jerseys or whatever with a players name on it, I'm ok with the player getting a cut of the sale or with making some money if he's part of a TV commercial for the local lumber yard or whatever--and I think this was the original idea behind NIL and the Supreme Court decision. But of course it quickly spiraled out of control because the NCAA didn't establish any rules and because, even if it did, how would it monitor and enforce deals of one kind or another going down at every school in the country? Now of course NIL is just a license to bribe kids and their families--bribe them to sign with your school or bribe them to switch from another school to your school. It's the further corruption and professionalization of college sports. What's more, how are the other 20 good players on a football team going to feel if they're not among the 3-4 players with nice NIL deals? They're going to be pissed--and how's that for team cohesion? Not good.

Look at the one-and-done for basketball. I get that a player should be be able to quit school and turn pro whenever he wants. But at the same time the 1-and-done has made a mockery of the game, in some ways. You've got coaches chasing these 5-stars for their programs; you sign them, and then they're gone when they're finally starting to get it. And then you do it again the next year, and the next. Calipari--the kind of 1-and-done--has won 1 national title at Kentucky. It's all a big mess.
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I think you are missing the point. All this has done is remove the curtain of secrecy from the back room under the table McDonald's bags of cash that was already part of college football. This has just made it public and the old guard is pissed about it.
 
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Volfan76 said:
It wasn't A component it was THE component. Cut that money to below what the next highest NIL deal is and watch how fast he leaves. This is moneyball now(and mostly was before). There is no more loyalty, state pride, school pride, or any other romantic devices that we cling to as fans. The only difference for UT is that we sucked at doing it well and not getting caught before the NIL era.
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True, but I'm pretty sure he does bleed orange.
 
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sneakergawd said:
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This photo reminds me of this. Someone should start an NIL factory called El Chapo Sports.
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BigSteve09 said:
...NIL is one of the reasons why we are doing better in recruiting.

Why is it wrong for us to appreciate, praise, and boast this?

Some of you sound like Saban, Kirby, and Jimbo. "It was never about money, we don't need the money."

It's a new era. One that embraces paying/sponsoring players. And we're doing an excellent job at riding that wave. Why are worried about acknowledging that we are at the forefront of this change? For the first time in however many decades, we understood the landscape of CFB and got a head start on everyone else.
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Tennessee has a lot to offer as a Football program and a University. One of those things is a large fan base that will do anything to see us do well. Our NIL pool will keep growing if we see great recruiting classes and results on Saturday.
 
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Voltime123 said:
You got to love the trolls on this board are wanting facts on the NIL and it’s obvious influence on recruits…they are wallowing in their own denial of how great our NIL is, and it hilarious to watch
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Says the guy who thinks all a recruit cares about is money. You and the other look like fools constantly. Our NIL program is definitely top notch. Nobody is arguing that. For some unknown reason you cannot grasp simple concepts. Is NIL a key factor in recruiting? Yes. Is it the major or only contributing factor in recruiting? I say no. There is zero evidence to support it is other than foolish opinions like yours.
 
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Voltime123 said:
You got to love the trolls on this board are wanting facts on the NIL and it’s obvious influence on recruits…they are wallowing in their own denial of how great our NIL is, and it hilarious to watch
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WTH? I think we all stated that NIL is a big effect. We're just not willing to swallow the logic that it's the only driving influence.

I, for one, am ecstatic at UT leading NIL right now, and the nfact that it's been opening doors that probably wouldn't have been open without it.

But for the record, everything doesn't have to be an excluded middle (either/or) fallacy. There could be a nuanced argument such as: "Sure, the NIL is a factor, and most likely a huge one a lot of the time. But I'd have to see some proof if someone is claiming that it's a singular driving factor across recruit decisions."
 
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VOLfrombama said:
Tennessee is mentioned in the article. (see: 7th paragraph, Line 2, hills of Tennessee). In fact, we are the NIL talk of the league after giving Nico 8 million. Just ask Lame Kitten.

IMO, NIL is giving/will give us a competitive advantage over all but probably 30-40 other large fan-base/historic CFB programs due to the sheer amount of money that Spyre will be able to offer across the board.

I hope it will start to show for those programs in the next 5 years and hopefully make the playoffs more interesting to teams not named Bummer or Jawja.
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Somebody got 8 million? WTH?
 
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I hope NIL isn't the undoing of college athletics, time will tell. My thoughts after reading the NCAA article is that they let the horse out of the barn without a bridle and now they are trying to catch the horse. NIL is supposed to be reward for services rendered, not boosters putting together a huge pot of money, then making contact with a prospect and offering a $ amount to come play there. They might have some kind of stipulation they have to show up for some trivial appearance, but little is expected of the athlete, other than go make our team the best there is. And honestly, unless a prospect comes from a family that is very affluent, waving 7 figures in front of them is gonna be a deciding factor. How many of us would turn down that kind of money? Just my thoughts.
 
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turbovol said:
NIL is a joke--a disaster. Where came this idea that student-athletes are being exploited? It's nonsense. Revenue-sport scholarships provide a free college education. That is a big deal worth abot $200K over 4 years--plus medical care, counseling, tutoring, all the rest. Others get partial scholarships worth a lot of money.
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Because it is FAR off their market value. And note many of those items listed are akin to fringe benefits, the same way an employee gets healthcare, retirement, PTO, free coffee, training, and the rest...which is not included in their salary ofc.

Would you be happy working for an articially low wage based on mass price-fixing within your industry?

We are just beginning to see something akin to their true market value.

A better representation would be looking at a football free market. A perfect one may not exist, but the NFL provides us with a close comparison. In it, the players/roster are worth about 25-30x that of their HC. So if a coach makes $10mm, like Saban, a roster may be $250-300mm. So...no...a scholarship + stipend comes nowhere close to that.
 
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bigorangepoppa said:
I hope NIL isn't the undoing of college athletics, time will tell. My thoughts after reading the NCAA article is that they let the horse out of the barn without a bridle and now they are trying to catch the horse. NIL is supposed to be reward for services rendered, not boosters putting together a huge pot of money, then making contact with a prospect and offering a $ amount to come play there. They might have some kind of stipulation they have to show up for some trivial appearance, but little is expected of the athlete, other than go make our team the best there is. And honestly, unless a prospect comes from a family that is very affluent, waving 7 figures in front of them is gonna be a deciding factor. How many of us would turn down that kind of money? Just my thoughts.
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Exactly the opposite. In fact, pay for performance is not allowed. You can't pay someone based on how many TDs they scored, for example.
 
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It makes me very happy to see how many have converted to pro-NIL these days. It wasn't but just a year ago when so many here were against it. There were long, furious debates over how universities should keep all these young men from profiting off the value they are creating. Very happy the light has shined on all (almost).

The facade of amateurism pushed by universities, and doofs like Dabo, has been lifted for all to see.
 
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Devo182 said:
It makes me very happy to see how many have converted to pro-NIL these days. It wasn't but just a year ago when so many here were against it. There were long, furious debates over how universities should keep all these young men from profiting off the value they are creating. Very happy the light has shined on all (almost).

The facade of amateurism pushed by universities, and doofs like Dabo, has been lifted for all to see.
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I am not necessarily pro-NIL. I think if you get an NIL deal then you shouldn’t get a scholarship. But I am not completely against it either. I do think there is gonna have to be some kind of regulation in the future.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I am not necessarily pro-NIL. I think if you get an NIL deal then you shouldn’t get a scholarship. But I am not completely against it either. I do think there is gonna have to be some kind of regulation in the future.
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Why in the world should a university not be allowed to give you a scholarship, merely because you can now do what every other human being is allowed to do? And academic scholars too? They are allowed all of it. Why target these students in particular? Seems weird and reeks of jealousy.

I don't get why people want to constantly punish these young folks. Yet Dabo and Saban make $10mm a year...why not take away their parking pass? 😅
 
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