Thinking about Dooley compared to Fulmer

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HankHill said:
Look at fulmers record the last 5 years of his tenure and look at his record without david cutcliffe...

I love fulmer and appreciate everything he done for tennessee

But most people wanted fulmr gone at the time rather they admit it or not

We haven't been in the big picture since probably 2002 so this is nothing new
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I posted his record without Cutcliffe in a different thread. He had a 67% winning record, with 8 seasons of 8+ wins without him. A BCS bowl, 2 SECCG appearances, etc.
 
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whobethis16 said:
I posted his record without Cutcliffe in a different thread. He had a 67% winning record, with 8 seasons of 8+ wins without him. A BCS bowl, 2 SECCG appearances, etc.
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Either way the fact of the matter is we haven't been relevant in the big picture since 2002.

I understand that we are worse now but think of this recruits now have been seeing this tennessee for the past decade...

They don't care about the "tennessee of old"
 
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HankHill said:
Either way the fact of the matter is we haven't been relevant in the big picture since 2002.

I understand that we are worse now but think of this recruits now have been seeing this tennessee for the past decade...

They don't care about the "tennessee of old"
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1998: 1-0
1999: 9-3
2000: 8-4
2001: 11-2
2002: 8-5
2003: 10-3
2004: 10-3
2005: 5-6
2008: 5-7
Totals: 67-33 for 67% winning percentage.

That's really awful, isn't it? Throw in 9-4 in 2006, and 10-4 in 2007. That is such a bad run.
 
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It was time for Phil to go but after Kiffin left we drastically downgraded. They are no comparison Fulmer was a way better coach. Fulmer won 100 more than he lost, went to 5 sec champ games and won 2 of them and one nationial title. Dooley will never compare with that.
 
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alwaysvol said:
can you break down the numbers for every coach in Vol history? I would like to have those number too please.
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someone made a statement. i responded to it by posting actual numbers. i posted numbers which took me very little time (stassen is awesome) to put together.

i was actually doing so to defend phil fulmer, not to bash tennessee.

a lot of people like to pick on him as if piling up wins against kentucky and vanderbilt is not part of every coach's legacy at tennessee.

i think what may pain you, perhaps, is the greater picture of what is behind those numbers.
 
#82
#82
Look Dooley should be compared to Vandys coaches .....

He would fit in great there all those moral victorys he has he would be over .600
 
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#83
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One is a former coach that embarrassed this program and the other is a soon to be former coach that embarrassed this program.

That's about all the comparison that is needed IMO.
 
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HankHill said:
Look at fulmers record the last 5 years of his tenure and look at his record without david cutcliffe...

I love fulmer and appreciate everything he done for tennessee

But most people wanted fulmr gone at the time rather they admit it or not

We haven't been in the big picture since probably 2002 so this is nothing new
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39-24 in his last 5 years. Compared to what in the years without him?
 
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whobethis16 said:
1998: 1-0
1999: 9-3
2000: 8-4
2001: 11-2
2002: 8-5
2003: 10-3
2004: 10-3
2005: 5-6
2008: 5-7
Totals: 67-33 for 67% winning percentage.

That's really awful, isn't it? Throw in 9-4 in 2006, and 10-4 in 2007. That is such a bad run.
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I didn't say it was a bad run.
But we haven't been in the national title hung since we lost to auburn in the seccg

That's just the facts. So people act like fulmer was doing so amazing when he was fired. He was doing good, not great.
 
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HankHill said:
I didn't say it was a bad run.
But we haven't been in the national title hung since we lost to auburn in the seccg

That's just the facts. So people act like fulmer was doing so amazing when he was fired. He was doing good, not great.
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And folks like you act like Fulmer took our national brand from the top of the mountain and drove it into the ground. He was the one that took us to the mountain in the first place!!!!!!
 
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whobethis16 said:
39-24 in his last 5 years. Compared to what in the years without him?
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I'm not argueing that we are better now. Its obvious we were better with fulmer then now

But everyone in the volnation would tell you we were losing a step in the sec. (See fulmers last 2 UF games)
 
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HankHill said:
I didn't say it was a bad run.
But we haven't been in the national title hung since we lost to auburn in the seccg

That's just the facts. So people act like fulmer was doing so amazing when he was fired. He was doing good, not great.
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And that's still 2 years later than you first said. And they finished top 25 in two of his last three years, top 15 in his second to last year.
 
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Wilhelm16 said:
And folks like you act like Fulmer took our national brand from the top of the mountain and drove it into the ground. He was the one that took us to the mountain in the first place!!!!!!
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Yes he took us to a crazy high level.

And we were in a slow decline from the early 2000s to his end.

UF,UGA,LSU,Bama were all pulling away from us for the most part
 
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99gator said:
someone made a statement. i responded to it by posting actual numbers. i posted numbers which took me very little time (stassen is awesome) to put together.

i was actually doing so to defend phil fulmer, not to bash tennessee.

a lot of people like to pick on him as if piling up wins against kentucky and vanderbilt is not part of every coach's legacy at tennessee.

i think what may pain you, perhaps, is the greater picture of what is behind those numbers.
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:crazy:
 
#92
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99gator said:
tennessee has had 321 conference wins since the sec formed in 1933

129 wins have come against vandy and kentucky.

this is nothing new. 40.1% of all of tennessee's sec wins have been against vandy and kentucky
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From 1934 to 1954 is how long it took for UF to have a winning SEC record. 20 yrs.

UF didn't have a season where there was a 0 in the loss column (SEC) until 1984. 5-0-1. 50 years!

From 1934 to 1983 The Mighty Gators were 125-152-9 in SEC play.

To keep it relative to the thread, over that time span ya'll lost the same number of games that Fulmer won in his career.

OUTSTANDING!














The proud tradition that is Gator football is not even 30 years old.
 
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#93
There's no point in discussing this.

Most people wanted Fulmer gone and Chavis gone (esp after we lost @ucla)

They may not say it now but we had just as a divided fan base then as we do now
 
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hillccs said:
What I am getting at is we would not stand for this from Fulmer when he has 2 bad seasons in his last four. Now ask yourself this questions Same team any game, who do you want coaching Fulmer or Dooley? I don't give a crap if Dooley wins out, he will not get you where you want to be and a lot of us were saying this last year.
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Neither are right for the job NOW.
 
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vol66 said:
The proud tradition that is Gator football is not even 30 years old.
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Unfortunately for us, half of that time they've been putting it to us, and unless things change...will be for the foreseeable future.
 
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HankHill said:
There's no point in discussing this.

Most people wanted Fulmer gone and Chavis gone (esp after we lost @ucla)

They may not say it now but we had just as a divided fan base then as we do now
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That is not a reason to deny a mistake was made.
 
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TacomaJPP said:
Unfortunately for us, half of that time they've been putting it to us, and unless things change...will be for the foreseeable future.
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That is true Spurrier and Meyer certainly earned their keep. Hopefully, the folks in charge will go out and spend the necessary money to give us a proven winner and right the ship.

We're not w/o talent, facilities or resources.
 
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