This fake injury crap is unbearable.

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I think the only thing you can realistically do is only allow the injured player to be subbed during an injury timeout. What has pissed me off is one DL goes down the the unit subs.
 
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I think sitting out the remainder of the possession is the next step. And maybe if the same guy causes an injury timeout twice he has to sit out the rest of the game? I'd have to think through that one. X number of plays sounds good, but that would be a nightmare to administer. Who's keeping track of that? Officials are obviously having trouble keeping up with everything going on already
 
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Tennessee tried it's darnedest to get the rules changed to prevent it, and the powers that be refused. So Heup started doing it too and doesn't care how obvious it is. The worst thing they can do is change the rule, which is what we wanted to start with. We have carte blanche as far as I'm concerned.

As for everyone else, Ole Miss is the only team I know of that is just utterly ridiculous about it. It's still annoying. But I don't feel like it effects games that bad. I guess you could putting a rule that lets the zebras make a judgment call when it's obvious. But, I'm afraid that would get abused/botched in a way that really changes a game.

I still say make them sit the rest of the series. But I realize that's unlikely to happen.
 
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I say give the coaches what they want, sort of...a guy goes down, he immediately comes off the field and he is the ONLY allowed substitution. Furthermore, that player can not be substituted for another injured player the remainder of the possession. He may however return to the game if cleared and the game allows legal substitutions.
 
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VOLLeeann said:
Nothing is going to happen since there is no way for an official to judge if an injury is faked or not
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Correct. And if you require a player to sit out the rest of the possession or 10 plays or whatever you will have guys out there that are legitimately hurt but don’t want to come out for that long and expose themselves to worse injury.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Correct. And if you require a player to sit out the rest of the possession or 10 plays or whatever you will have guys out there that are legitimately hurt but don’t want to come out for that long and expose themselves to worse injury.
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They're already doing that though. Forcing them to sit longer doesn't increase the possibility of injury it reduces it.
 
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Their coaching staff seems to not mind it one bit as he rationalizes it lol.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
They're already doing that though. Forcing them to sit longer doesn't increase the possibility of injury it reduces it.
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I don’t think I explained my thought correctly. What I meant was a player could get dinged up on a play, and knowing if he goes down he will have to miss the rest of the series, he might stay up and keep playing thus exposing himself to getting hurt worse than the original injury. Hope that makes sense.

Also, if the rule is enacted that an “injured” player that flops has to sit out the series, then teams will simply work around this by designating the most replaceable guy on defense as the flopper so their absence won’t be missed when replaced by the backup
 
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The Original Fade said:
I don’t think I explained my thought correctly. What I meant was a player could get dinged up on a play, and knowing if he goes down he will have to miss the rest of the series, he might stay up and keep playing thus exposing himself to getting hurt worse than the original injury. Hope that makes sense.

Also, if the rule is enacted that an “injured” player that flops has to sit out the series, then teams will simply work around this by designating the most replaceable guy on defense as the flopper so their absence won’t be missed when replaced by the backup
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I understand what your saying and don't disagree that could happen. I'm saying that players try to keep playing through injuries now. Key guys don't want to be out for even a play. It's not uncommon at all. But by making them sit for the rest of the series you're are also going to get them off the field longer and reduce the chance of injury instead of them trying to go back in when they shouldn't. Players will keep pretending they're fine on the sideline. I'd argue you'll get a net gain in player safety or it's at least a wash. Besides the end of a series may only be 1-3 plays away at any given time. I don't think players will try to play through much more than they do now.

You can certainly dedicate a player to take the flop. But then you don't have your best group on the field and you can't pull the "flop" more than once without taking more starters off the field and having to micromanage the heck ouf of substitutions. The logistics of making it work, quickly make the benefits of the strategy not worth the sacrifices required to make it happen.
 
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fossilfiction said:
Are we still faking injuries after every extra point?
But pushing a player on to the field for a dive to save a penalty is why there will be a rule change next change. That was egregious and the worst abuse of the rule I have seen yet.
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Entirely dependent on how fast we’re scoring and how long the defense has been on the field.
 
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fossilfiction said:
Are we still faking injuries after every extra point?
But pushing a player on to the field for a dive to save a penalty is why there will be a rule change next change. That was egregious and the worst abuse of the rule I have seen yet.
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We don't do it after every extra point but it was common last year and some the first few games this year. Usually happens when we have a quick scoring drive to give our D some extra rest before taking the field next possession. We haven't been scoring as much or as quickly last few games is my guess why it's been less frequent. I didn't notice any after extra points this game but I might have missed them.
 
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The “sit a series” rule sounds great until Nico gets stepped on by a pulling OL and has to get his ankle retaped when UT is down 4 on the last series of the game. Or until a DB makes a great play breaking up a pass but gets the wind knocked out of him on the landing. There goes your best cover corner for the rest of the series. Or a WR gets a cramp that just needs 90 seconds to resolve. Or Pearce gets blocked into somebody’s knee and has to come out for a 30 second evaluation for a head injury. Hope you didnt need him that drive.

Except in the most obvious cases (like Bama on Saturday, which was a foul for other reasons), refs cannot and will not distinguish between real and fake injuries. Any of these scenarios could mean the best players are watching during the most important plays.

Fake injuries endanger player safety and are the coach’s responsibility. Fine and suspend coaches for endangering players. No in-game rule can adequately punish the wrongdoer without penalizing the innocent or discouraging a legitimately injured player from getting aid.
 
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Visidog said:
The “sit a series” rule sounds great until Nico gets stepped on by a pulling OL and has to get his ankle retaped when UT is down 4 on the last series of the game. Or until a DB makes a great play breaking up a pass but gets the wind knocked out of him on the landing. There goes your best cover corner for the rest of the series. Or a WR gets a cramp that just needs 90 seconds to resolve. Or Pearce gets blocked into somebody’s knee and has to come out for a 30 second evaluation for a head injury. Hope you didnt need him that drive.

Except in the most obvious cases (like Bama on Saturday, which was a foul for other reasons), refs cannot and will not distinguish between real and fake injuries. Any of these scenarios could mean the best players are watching during the most important plays.

Fake injuries endanger player safety and are the coach’s responsibility. Fine and suspend coaches for endangering players. No in-game rule can adequately punish the wrongdoer without penalizing the innocent or discouraging a legitimately injured player from getting aid.
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I like the sit the series rule but would add that you could burn a timeout to get them back.
 
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give each team 2 injury timeouts, if you use those and someone else goes down then we use your actual timeouts, if you are out of timeouts then its a 5 yard penalty. This would make it so as a coach you don't want someone who is already hurt on the field because it would hurt your team.
 
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sevavol said:
Almost as bad as those fools flopping in soccer. Something needs to be done about it, not sure of what that answer is. Possibly needing to sit out longer than 1 play? Not sure an entire quarter is the answer, but it needs to be longer than one play for certain. You can't hang with an up-tempo offense, then get a new DC.
LFG Big Orange, get those cigars ready and beat the hell out of Alabummer!
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Sit out the entire series
 
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VOLLeeann said:
Nothing is going to happen since there is no way for an official to judge if an injury is faked or not
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Some of them are blatantly obvious. Miss the next 3 plays on all injuries, that would put a good dent in the problem of faking injuries. Folks would think twice before doing it. GBO
 
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If it's a defensive player down and the offense didn't swap any players then the only player to be swapped is the injured player. No wholesale swaps allowed.
 
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sami said:
The answer is so simple and logical that they'll never do it. The "injured" player has to sit out the rest of the possession. That "protects" the player, which addresses the "safety" issue, and will make teams think twice about the risk of losing a player for the possession. Just the series isn't enough to keep it from happening.

It makes way too much sense for these brainiacs, so they'll come up with some convoluted solution. If they even address it.
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So using the example of the Bama incident, Coach throws 3rd string player on field to flop. 3rd string player sits out using your simple and logical penalty. Tell me how that penalizes anyone.
 
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AdoptedVOL said:
So using the example of the Bama incident, Coach throws 3rd string player on field to flop. 3rd string player sits out using your simple and logical penalty. Tell me how that penalizes anyone.
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The point of the fake injury is usually to let them substitute. They can't throw a 3rd stringer onto the field to take the dive unless they are able sub him in. They'll get an illegal substitution or to many men on the field penalty. The thing Bama did Saturday was a guy going off and coming back on during a substitution and they got flagged for it.
 
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The Original Fade said:
I don’t think I explained my thought correctly. What I meant was a player could get dinged up on a play, and knowing if he goes down he will have to miss the rest of the series, he might stay up and keep playing thus exposing himself to getting hurt worse than the original injury. Hope that makes sense.

Also, if the rule is enacted that an “injured” player that flops has to sit out the series, then teams will simply work around this by designating the most replaceable guy on defense as the flopper so their absence won’t be missed when replaced by the backup
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This ^^^. They will never in the name of safety just implement the rest of series because if a player gets shaken up he should come off and be checked. Here is what I said in another thread in the past week and I think it would be a similar policy to a basketball injury that gives coaches a choice:

Hurt players need to go off for rest of series whether obvious flop or not. Allow coaches to use their timeout to get them back in just like basketball. I would also be ok to give them two injury timeouts a half that could only be used to reinsert players before series is over but the injury timeout does not stop play. Player has to go off, he can be checked out and if he is good to go then coach can use his injury timeout to reinsert him. The injury timeout just allows the reinsert. Once they have the injury timeouts, you have player sit the series or use your regular timeouts. I would also be in favor of no players can substitute on either side during injury timeout

The above allows for safety of players, stops flopping or coaches lose timeouts. Win win.
 
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I would happily sit through the injury timeouts if they eliminate the 3 and 4 minute commercials. Enough is enough.
 
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