This has been a good year

#78
#78
VOLnVANDYland said:
How many of those 325 teams could have 3 players drafted in this years draft? Lol. Why are you comparing our situation to a crappy sunbelt team and acting like we should all celebrate it. We are underachieving and all you want to do is defend Barnes and make excuses
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Look at Duke, Kentucky, Michigan State, Kansas, North Carolina...should we compare our seasons to theirs?
 
#81
#81
bleedingTNorange said:
Ahhh, so if we didn’t have NBA draft picks you’d be good with missing the tourney or sneaking in? Doubt it.
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So you can’t take a look at the roster with your own eyes and see that we are underperforming? Does it not matter who we have on our team when we set our expectations? I was less disappointed in last years team than this one even though the record was way worse. Try to use some critical thinking please
 
#87
#87
bleedingTNorange said:
Trending out? Again, we won our last game, we win today and we probably are inside 20 or even higher.
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Dude everyone knows your Shtick by now. You carry water hard for the current coaching staff and write fluffy game summaries while constantly trying to be condescending to other posters who have legit criticisms and have higher expectations for our program. You did the same thing during the Cuonzo years, which should really tell everyone everything they need to know.
 
#88
#88
This is a disappointed season but we need to be patient. Our program as a whole is trending in the right direction.

Look at UK, with the talent Calipari has year in and year out, they should have more than 3 FF appearances and it has been 7 years since they sniffed a Final Four.
 
#89
#89
volbound1700 said:
This is a disappointed season but we need to be patient. Our program as a whole is trending in the right direction.

Look at UK, with the talent Calipari has year in and year out, they should have more than 3 FF appearances and it has been 7 years since they sniffed a Final Four.
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The Coach Cal teams should be a lesson in how 1 and Dones typically work. If you are building your entire team around 18 and 19 year old freshmen, you have to have a once a decade, once a generation type player to get you into the final four and beyond like Carmelo, Oden, Anthony Davis, Derrick Rose, etc. The last team to win a natty that was led by a freshman was the Duke squad with Okafor. Otherwise you are primed for a letdown because of inconsistency.

Talent doesn't always equal production. Keon Johnson is a consensus top 10 NBA pick, but he is nowhere near a 10 player in the college game.
 
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#90
#90
Some on this blog just want to argue for the sake of arguing. I think they miss the old debate club from high school.

I have seen a couple of the usual suspects argue both sides of the same question!
 
#91
#91
Vols8086 said:
The Coach Cal teams should be a lesson in how 1 and Dones typically work. If you are building your entire team around 18 and 19 year old freshmen, you have to have a once a decade, once a generation type player to get you into the final four and beyond like Carmelo, Oden, Anthony Davis, Derrick Rose, etc. The last team to win a natty that was led by a freshman was the Duke squad with Okafor. Otherwise you are primed for a letdown because of inconsistency.

Talent doesn't always equal production. Keon Johnson is a consensus top 10 NBA pick, but he is nowhere near a 10 player in the college game.
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Actually his most talented team (2009-2010 team) did not even make the FF team. If you look at his best teams, they were a blend of experienced seniors and talented 1 and done. That seems to be the best recipe. 1-2 seniors to be leaders and 2-3 superstar freshmen.
 
#92
#92
volbound1700 said:
Actually his most talented team (2009-2010 team) did not even make the FF team. If you look at his best teams, they were a blend of experienced seniors and talented 1 and done. That seems to be the best recipe. 1-2 seniors to be leaders and 2-3 superstar freshmen.
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His best teams weren't a blend of seniors. In fact, he very rarely has any seniors play.

That 2009-2010 team didn't even have a senior that played relevant minutes. In fact, it only had one upperclassmen (Patrick Patterson) that averaged more than 2 points/game.

His title team had one senior that played (also happened to be on the 2009-10 team Darius Miller). The rest were freshmen and sophomores.

The Julius Randle team that got hot and I think made it to the title game and lost, again, no upperclassmen that contributed more than 2 points/game.

The 14-15 team had 9 guys that would eventually make it to the NBA and Poythress and Cauley-Stein were juniors. Neither were stars on that team but they played and added value. No seniors though.

The only Cal team that had seniors that played meaningful minutes was the 16-17 team.
 
#96
#96
VOLnVANDYland said:
How many of those 325 teams could have 3 players drafted in this years draft? Lol. Why are you comparing our situation to a crappy sunbelt team and acting like we should all celebrate it. We are underachieving and all you want to do is defend Barnes and make excuses
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We won't have 3 players drafted.
 
#97
#97
VOLnVANDYland said:
Dude everyone knows your Shtick by now. You carry water hard for the current coaching staff and write fluffy game summaries while constantly trying to be condescending to other posters who have legit criticisms and have higher expectations for our program. You did the same thing during the Cuonzo years, which should really tell everyone everything they need to know.
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Your criticisms aren't legitimate. They're half-baked and lack perspective
 
#99
#99
LeannaVol said:
BT

BTO will have a full time job if he wants to police hyperbole on an internet message forum. Surely there are better uses for our time.
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Words do have meaning and the fact that people are careless with them is part of what has led to the division in this country today. Does one post on VN that’s a little over the top move the needle? Of course not but the problem is that kind of sensationalism is everywhere, including news outlets, and it is used to play on people’s emotions and elicit a response. So while this one post isn’t a big deal, I understand BTO calling out the hyperbole.
 
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