This is all you need to know about McCain..

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BigPapaVol said:
no it's not. It's a ridiculous point.
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Agreed . . . For me, it's right up there with saying that all the candidates suck. Some people may truly believe it, but a lot of people are just being lazy.
 
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TIGER DEN said:
I'm sure we will all prosper and all the issues that need to be attended too , will be , for the next 4 years
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if the quality of your life relies that heavily upon who's in office, you should probably move to Canada.
 
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oklavol said:
until they decide to cash in their T-bills. Then the dollar will become equivalent to the peso....
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we would default on the notes before going there.

By the by, you cannot cash in gov't issued debt. The gov't can call it, if the provision exists, but cashing in is not an option.

you can trade it on the open market or give it away, but demanding payment doesn't work.

I don't mean to point at that you know little of the actual capital markets, but it sure appears that way.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
if the quality of your life relies that heavily upon who's in office, you should probably move to Canada.
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The post said we all , not me , and if you think all is well in this country and all is going to get better , you need to take your blinders off . The next four years is going to suck and until theres a politician that actually cares about what's best for the country and not what's best for him or his party , it will continue to suck .
 
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TIGER DEN said:
The next four years is going to suck and until theres a politician that actually cares about what's best for the country and not what's best for him or his party , it will continue to suck .
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I can't remember when we had a politician that meets the criteria you listed. Some are closer than others but none always put country first over their own political ideology.
 
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TIGER DEN said:
The post said we all , not me , and if you think all is well in this country and all is going to get better , you need to take your blinders off . The next four years is going to suck and until theres a politician that actually cares about what's best for the country and not what's best for him or his party , it will continue to suck .
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if your life sucks and your blaming politicians, I feel very sorry for you.

The conditions in this country are nowhere near as poor as the greater media makes them sound and this is likely to continue to be the greatest nation in which to live for the next four years regardless of who's president.

I have to say that my life doesn't suck today and I don't anticipate it heading that way tomorrow. Maybe it's just an outlook thing.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
if your life sucks and your blaming politicians, I feel very sorry for you.

The conditions in this country are nowhere near as poor as the greater media makes them sound and this is likely to continue to be the greatest nation in which to live for the next four years regardless of who's president.

I have to say that my life doesn't suck today and I don't anticipate it heading that way tomorrow. Maybe it's just an outlook thing.
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This is a very good situation for you to be in and I hope you never lose everything you own because there are to many people who have the same attitude as you , that would refuse to help you.

Partner you are the one saying my life sucks , I haven't said that once , but I do believe there are alot of people in this country whos lives do truely suck , and will continue too , as long as these politicians you speak of stay in office .

Until people decide to try to help this country we will head in the same direction . It used to be that even the uneducated could find decent jobs to support their families . Now alot of the decent paying jobs are being sent to places like China where the big industries can have their work force for a small percentage of what they were paying here . THE RICH GET RICHER . Maybe you fit in this catagorie, I dont know and I dont really care.

The only part of my life that sucks is when you answer my posts with these elitist views when you have no clue of what's going on in the real world.

Dont start on your tirade about the homless helping themselves , it's getting old , also dont try your little deal of "feeling sorry for me " to take attention off of the points being discussed . You are not hard to figure out my friend.

Your world and well being is all that seems to matter to you .
 
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TIGER DEN said:
This is a very good situation for you to be in and I hope you never lose everything you own because there are to many people who have the same attitude as you , that would refuse to help you.
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BPV can defend himself, but I have no idea how you draw that conclusion from his last post all because he doesn't share your outlook. For all you know he could be the most charitable guy in the world.
 
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TIGER DEN said:
This is a very good situation for you to be in and I hope you never lose everything you own because there are to many people who have the same attitude as you , that would refuse to help you.

Partner you are the one saying my life sucks , I haven't said that once , but I do believe there are alot of people in this country whos lives do truely suck , and will continue too , as long as these politicians you speak of stay in office .

Until people decide to try to help this country we will head in the same direction . It used to be that even the uneducated could find decent jobs to support their families . Now alot of the decent paying jobs are being sent to places like China where the big industries can have their work force for a small percentage of what they were paying here . THE RICH GET RICHER . Maybe you fit in this catagorie, I dont know and I dont really care.

The only part of my life that sucks is when you answer my posts with these elitist views when you have no clue of what's going on in the real world.

Dont start on your tirade about the homless helping themselves , it's getting old , also dont try your little deal of "feeling sorry for me " to take attention off of the points being discussed . You are not hard to figure out my friend.

Your world and well being is all that seems to matter to you .
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you said life will suck regardless of who's in office, not me. I said my life doesn't suck and, quite frankly, it was not an income based argument.

Individual lives do suck in America and we all have times coming, but it has nothing to do with the administration. Life has ups and downs, wealthy or poor.

The rest of your drivel about my potential responses is just garbage. You jumped on a line of thinking that was out in left field and look silly.

Maybe had you looked at my final point about it being about outlook, you would have seen where I was coming from.

Finally, if you don't like my elitist responses, avoid them. I assure you I'm going to keep posting, elite or not.
 
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GAVol said:
BPV can defend himself, but I have no idea how you draw that conclusion from his last post all because he doesn't share your outlook. For all you know he could be the most charitable guy in the world.
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Ask him how he feels about the homeless and you will find out how I came to that conclusion, if you haven't , then no you would not have any idea how I came to that conclusion . Plus you are right that he needs no help from you defending himself .

I'm not a very big politcal person but he challenged me on my post not me on his .

Anyone who thinks the government isn't mostly responsible for this countries troubles has blinders on and is only seeing what they choose to.

So IMO the next 4 years will suck and will continue to suck until one of our politicians decides our country and our childrens futures are more important than their own personal gain . If you , bpv , or anyone else disagrees , that's fine , but my opinion is mine , and because someone doesen't agree does not mean that I will change it
 
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BigPapaVol said:
we would default on the notes before going there.

By the by, you cannot cash in gov't issued debt. The gov't can call it, if the provision exists, but cashing in is not an option.

you can trade it on the open market or give it away, but demanding payment doesn't work.

I don't mean to point at that you know little of the actual capital markets, but it sure appears that way.
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Most people know how U.S. bonds work.

When the Chinese decides to stop buying them and sell the ones they own the U.S. won't be to finance our enormous debt we will be in serious trouble. more.

So it was predictable that, sooner or later, the Chinese would stop buying so many dollar bonds. Either they would stop buying American I.O.U.'s altogether, causing a plunge in the dollar, or they would stop being satisfied with the role of passive financiers, and demand the power that comes with ownership. And we should be relieved that at least for now the Chinese aren't dumping their dollars; they're using them to buy American companies.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/27/opinion/27krugman.html?pagewanted=print
 
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TIGER DEN said:
Ask him how he feels about the homeless and you will find out how I came to that conclusion, if you haven't , then no you would not have any idea how I came to that conclusion . Plus you are right that he needs no help from you defending himself .

I'm not a very big politcal person but he challenged me on my post not me on his .
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why don't you tell me what I think of the homeless since you seem to know? This should be fun.

I challenged you because you said we are assured for life to suck after this election. I think that's ridiculous.

The sky has always been falling in America, just go back and look. I'm telling you that this election is not going to make lives suck in America, except for those folks predisposed to seeing it that way.

My life will be minimally impacted by the admin, except that one will make me give more money to the gov't. Otherwise, Jan 22 '09 will be very similar to Jan 21.
 
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oklavol said:
Most people know how U.S. bonds work. Thanks for the insult though.

When the Chinese decides to stop buying them and sell the ones they own the U.S. won't be to finance our enormous debt we will be in serious trouble. more.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/27/opinion/27krugman.html?pagewanted=print
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but you said they'd dump them. they can't afford to, period.

Look at the source of your article and what's up with the strange would, could, should language. Can't see it from my handheld, but seems like a hypothetical from a typical NYT style author.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you said life will suck regardless of who's in office, not me. I said my life doesn't suck and, quite frankly, it was not an income based argument.

Individual lives do suck in America and we all have times coming, but it has nothing to do with the administration. Life has ups and downs, wealthy or poor.

The rest of your drivel about my potential responses is just garbage. You jumped on a line of thinking that was out in left field and look silly.

Maybe had you looked at my final point about it being about outlook, you would have seen where I was coming from.

Finally, if you don't like my elitist responses, avoid them. I assure you I'm going to keep posting, elite or not.
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I never doubted that you would keep posting or what your response was going to be. My difference with you is that IMO it has everything to do with the Administration
 
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#69
TIGER DEN said:
I never doubted that you would keep posting or what your response was going to be. My difference with you is that IMO it has everything to do with the Administration
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how does the President hold that much power over your everyday life? The last time I checked the Constitution, there were still three branches of government.
 
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MG1968 said:
how does the President hold that much power over your everyday life? The last time I checked the Constitution, there were still three branches of government.
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and freedom, to some degree, is still a part of the deal.
 
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#73
MG1968 said:
how does the President hold that much power over your everyday life? The last time I checked the Constitution, there were still three branches of government.
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The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.45 billion per day since September 29, 2006
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Its over 175k per a person now. I guess that's our fault? I thought the president submitted the budget.
 
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