This is EYE opening

[terrypedigo]

It's so simple, we are 2 recruiting classes behind the elite, could we beat one of them yes but all of them no, nothing has change going into 2020 if we can go 6 and 4 that would be decent 7 and 3 real good, we don't have the elite QB to beat the elite or the elite DL to dominate the line.

 

[Sarms58]

I’m curious about 4 and 5 star ratings changes and who are the 3 star gems ?

here are some 3 star players (247) that have contributed:
Deandre Johnson, Josh Palmer, Shawn Shamburger, Kivon Bennett, Jeremy Banks, Trevon Flowers, Darel Middleton, K'Rojhn Calbert, Jahmir Johnson

 

[TNnative]

And goes against everything we ‘hear’. In the Pruitt vs Smart thread, it was said Smart inherited a better roster than Pruitt. I think that’s clear. So, then to feel better I wanted to see how much better Pruitt has recruited since he got here as that is all we hear.

UT on the 247 team talent composite this year, 15th.
UT on the 247 team talent composite when Pruitt was hired? 12th.

The year before Pruitt came we had 37 3-stars, we now have 49 3-stars. Honestly feel it should be the opposite of this number.

We have 13 more in this class.

I believe in Pruitt and he has shown he can find a 3 star gem, but 49 isn’t going to be gems, most are just going to be rocks.

Riveting.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Old tweet

Just noticed that. My bad. But i still think Fitz leaving is a big deal.

 

[Vol8188]

CBJ’s last class and CJP’s first class were both low ranked and both still on this roster. It’s been said by many that we very well may pass the 50% 4/5 star ratio next year after you replace that last cbj class with another top 10 class from Pruitt

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Every new coach inherits problems or else they wouldn't be getting that opportunity. At some point a coach has to break out.

True but not all situations are the same. Smart was a first time HC when he arrived at UGA. Just like Pruitt is a first time HC. Do you think they inherited anything remotely the same?

 

[Remy]

Id have to look more into this, but what it says to me, is that Pruitt is doing more with less. Imagine if he could get talent at the right spots

For the record CJP reportedly has two 3 star QBs rostered in front of a nationally celebrated 5 star QB. He HAS more and is letting it sit and watch one of the worst performances ever in a half of football by a Vol QB. I like CJP, but he's going to run himself off if he leaves the talent watching ineptitude play from the sidelines.

 

[dcm3w]

Been down too long. Hard to sell at this point, even harder when you get boat raced on national TV by the teams you're recruiting the hardest against. That's why i have thought and still do to a point it would take a big hire to get Tennessee where everyone wants them to be. You can't really sell much to these kids now a days other than a vision and dust off the 98 trophy, not much else there at this point. These kids weren't even born the last time Tennessee was on top of the heap.

People don't understand this. Yeah we were good in the 90s. So what? That's twenty years ago and we haven't even made it to the top of the SEC East and I'm not sure how fans can think that 5 star recruits will just magically appear without consistent winning.

 

[VolForLife83]

For the record CJP reportedly has two 3 star QBs rostered in front of a nationally celebrated 5 star QB. He HAS more and is letting it sit and watch one of the worst performances ever in a half of football by a Vol QB. I like CJP, but he's going to run himself off if he leaves the talent watching ineptitude play from the sidelines.

QB switch wouldn't have mattered that night. I do wonder what may have happened if not for the fumbles though. Maybe our D could have pulled out a win

 

[Sarms58]

I'm not a negavol.. Been a Vol fan since 1968... Yes recruiting is everything.. But the difference I saw between CP and Smart is when Georgia's QB struggled after just 3 series- Smart pulled him. Where CP wants to ride a dead horse

Yea, he pulled a first year freshmen (who was projected 3 string prior to other players opting out and not being cleared medically) after a couple of series because they guy was awful...but if you know any Dawg fans then you know they complained constantly about Kirby sticking with Fromm when he had Five star Justin Fields riding the bench...

the best player on the team is always the backup QB...

 

[Sarms58]

QB switch wouldn't have mattered that night. I do wonder what may have happened if not for the fumbles though. Maybe our D could have pulled out a win

The fumbles and the penalties- three false starts in the third quarter. We were in third and long on all except one series...

 

[DiderotsGhost]

You're talking about stars as if they mean something.

Tyus Fields was a 4 star. Should he start over 3 star Trayvaun Flowers??
3 star Slaughter has so far beat out 4 star Key Lawrence.
And im pretty sure some of the supposed 49 3 stars you say we have are actually 4 stars on another site.

IOW it's unreliable...

This team is one player away from possibly beating a stacked UGA team, and you are really trying to argue were not as talented as a 4-8 Butch Jones Squad???

This.

Also, the problem with Butch's teams was that they were grossly under-performing their talent level. Part of that was due to lack of development by the coaching staff. The other part, however, was that Butch was taking a lot of "blue chip" players that weren't nearly as good as the recruiting services thought they were. I know every program misses on some evaluations, but some of those latter Butch Jones classes had over 50% of the players who were duds (lazy, underperforming, bad attitude, behavioral issues --- or sometimes they were good and just left).

In other words, if all Pruitt does is actually evaluate and develop talent better, but with the same overall 247 rankings, that's probably the difference between 4-8 under Butch and 8-4 / 9-3 under Pruitt. In order to win a national title, we probably have to step up another level in recruiting, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

Personally, I think the 2020 class was one of the best in the country; top 5 worthy. And this class is shaping up to be very good, as well. Pruitt is having an easier time selling the program now than he was back in 2018.

 

[Remy]

QB switch wouldn't have mattered that night. I do wonder what may have happened if not for the fumbles though. Maybe our D could have pulled out a win

Agreed, our defense played winning football against UGA. Even in the 2nd half, two turnovers back to back in field goal territory for UGA, the defense held them to two FGs. Their teammates on the offensive side of the ball played like a bunch of scared junior high kids scrimmaging the varsity in the second half.

 

[cobbwebb0710]

And goes against everything we ‘hear’. In the Pruitt vs Smart thread, it was said Smart inherited a better roster than Pruitt. I think that’s clear. So, then to feel better I wanted to see how much better Pruitt has recruited since he got here as that is all we hear.

UT on the 247 team talent composite this year, 15th.
UT on the 247 team talent composite when Pruitt was hired? 12th.

The year before Pruitt came we had 37 3-stars, we now have 49 3-stars. Honestly feel it should be the opposite of this number.

We have 13 more in this class.

I believe in Pruitt and he has shown he can find a 3 star gem, but 49 isn’t going to be gems, most are just going to be rocks.

The year before Pruitt came we had 37 3-stars...
You could probably double that number if not for half of butches recruits leaving the team for one reason or the other.
GBO!!

 

[RAVOL]

How many years into his tenure, till Pruitt actually become responsible for the team in your eyes? Obviously not year 3, so year 4? In year 4 will Pruitt be responsible for the product on the field, or will it still be Butch's fault?

I believe 5 years was needed at were the talent was. Also we have to let coach P learn at this level. There was always going to be growing pains with him as well. But this Coach understands all levels it takes to run a big program and will get better as he as well improves his roster. Patience is hard but its a virtue. And I am glad my HEAVENLY FATHER is patient with me. " in CHRIST ALONE

 

[hUTch2002]

This is incorrect. Team composite ranking in 2018 was also 15.

We have 3 more 5 stars, and 2 less 4 stars. There are more 3 stars because we have more scholorship players.

Overall talent score is 842 on 2020 team compared to 825 on 2018 team.

Recruiting is only half the battle. If you don’t develop the kids then they won’t reach their potential in most cases. So far Pruitt and staff have struggled with developing players on offense. We will see if that continues but his original OC hire was very poor for a HC with no offensive experience.

 

[RAVOL]

Every new coach inherits problems or else they wouldn't be getting that opportunity. At some point a coach has to break out.

That is true just like every rebuild is not the same. I would have loved for Coach P to inherit Matt Coral as his QB and that amazing WR he has both will play NFL but he didn't so until we see Bailey who is not ready due to Covid circumstances and K Salter whom this staff loves we have to live with what we have. And by the way he had to completely build both lines of scrimmage.

 

[Sarms58]

This.

Also, the problem with Butch's teams was that they were grossly under-performing their talent level. Part of that was due to lack of development by the coaching staff. The other part, however, was that Butch was taking a lot of "blue chip" players that weren't nearly as good as the recruiting services thought they were. I know every program misses on some evaluations, but some of those latter Butch Jones classes had over 50% of the players who were duds (lazy, underperforming, bad attitude, behavioral issues --- or sometimes they were good and just left).

In other words, if all Pruitt does is actually evaluate and develop talent better, but with the same overall 247 rankings, that's probably the difference between 4-8 under Butch and 8-4 / 9-3 under Pruitt. In order to win a national title, we probably have to step up another level in recruiting, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

Personally, I think the 2020 class was one of the best in the country; top 5 worthy. And this class is shaping up to be very good, as well.

Some kids are marketed well above their actual value. Jones seemed to land more than his fair share of these but we’ve signed plenty over the years. We signed “the best hs safety“ one year and expected him to step in and start. Problem was he played safety in hs with no real responsibilities so he was able to head hunt and make plenty of highlight films. But once in a Knoxville it became painfully obvious he had zero football IQ And could never play in the secondary. I believe he played on special teams as a freshman then left school...but he was a “can’t miss” stud

 

[VolInDayton]

Recruiting is only half the battle. If you don’t develop the kids then they won’t reach their potential in most cases. So far Pruitt and staff have struggled with developing players on offense. We will see if that continues but his original OC hire was very poor for a HC with no offensive experience.

Yes it is about developing which the defense is ahead of the offense. I find it concerning that we don't have a QB better than JG yet, but it has been weird since spring so next year is when we can truly judge that position. I think Palmer has turned into a good received and so has Brandon Johnson. Offensive like has gotten better, you can tell against opponents like USC jr and Mizzou, it just hasn't gotten good enough.

 

[RAVOL]

On Harrison Bailey not playing and being behind 2 3 star QB he missed spring practice as did all and had to miss 2 weeks of camp due to covid. Be patient he will finally get his chance when he understands the offense. That is why he got every snap in scrimmage last night . In CHRIST Alone

 

[hUTch2002]

Yes it is about developing which the defense is ahead of the offense. I find it concerning that we don't have a QB better than JG yet, but it has been weird since spring so next year is when we can truly judge that position. I think Palmer has turned into a good received and so has Brandon Johnson. Offensive like has gotten better, you can tell against opponents like USC jr and Mizzou, it just hasn't gotten good enough.

WR has been the brightest spot on O so far. The O line had no way to go but up after that 4-8 disaster. What I don’t know is if the line is better simply due to better talent or if there is actual development there. Either way, we need both talent and development to have a shot.

 

[VAVol85]

Regardless of class rankings, Pruitt is better at having a plan and addressing areas of need than the prior staff, which seemed to recruit haphazardly.

However, while Pruitt has upgraded secondary, LB, Dline, Oline, and RB, we are in the same QB situation as we were three years ago. And we appear to be pinning our hopes for the next year on a single freshmen. If Pruitt is serious about competing for championships, then Pruitt/Chaney/Weinke need to do a much better job with the QB group.

 

[gunner]

And goes against everything we ‘hear’. In the Pruitt vs Smart thread, it was said Smart inherited a better roster than Pruitt. I think that’s clear. So, then to feel better I wanted to see how much better Pruitt has recruited since he got here as that is all we hear.

UT on the 247 team talent composite this year, 15th.
UT on the 247 team talent composite when Pruitt was hired? 12th.

The year before Pruitt came we had 37 3-stars, we now have 49 3-stars. Honestly feel it should be the opposite of this number.

We have 13 more in this class.

I believe in Pruitt and he has shown he can find a 3 star gem, but 49 isn’t going to be gems, most are just going to be rocks.

Stars aren’t everything partner. Players play for a coach and that’s why they go to certain schools rather than others.

If they aren’t fully bought into the program and giving 100 percent effort then it doesn’t matter how many stars are listed by their name.

Pruitt is recruiting his guys that he thinks he can win with and until his 5th season the jury is still out, but it’s apparent that he’s making progress in the SEC because they aren’t losing to the lower tier teams.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

here are some 3 star players (247) that have contributed:
Deandre Johnson, Josh Palmer, Shawn Shamburger, Kivon Bennett, Jeremy Banks, Trevon Flowers, Darel Middleton, K'Rojhn Calbert, Jahmir Johnson

Ok, contributors but no gems yet.

 

[igotworms]

Let's just quit the arm chair quarterbacking ,and admit that we were demolished by a more quality team

Why, bc it makes you feel better and you think that's what everyone else should do?