this is great. hussein O griping about Rush

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lawgator1 said:
I did not say that at all. There are many Democrat-sponsored initiatives designed to get the government out of our lives, such as in the castle that is the bedroom or in terms of reproductive choice. In both of which, for some odd reason, conservatives seem to think the government ought to be telling us what to do (and what not to do) -- as long as it suits their personal moraility, that is.
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the bedroom is the only room in the house the left wants to stay out of. the only problem is, while keeping the government out, the left turns around and wants society to pay for what goes on in the bedroom in the form of taxpayer funded abortion and aids medication.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Rush is first and foremost an entertainer. His politics are becoming outdated by the changing demographics of our society, and so it is not all that surprising that the more he resents the changing dynamic, the more shrill he comes across.
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This is a silly comment.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Read the quote, please.

He is saying that you can't just take your cues from the likes of Rush, or Hannity, and expect to have any room left to maneuver so as to compromise to get things done.

It would be the same thing for Bush to have said that Democrats can't get their political positions from Oprah or Sean Penn and then expect to be able to have a dialogue with the other side.

I would agree he is foolish for saying it because all it is going to do is rally people around Rush and deepend his support amongst conservatives. But bottom line is that Obama is right about the poison.
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Don't you find this statement a bit insulting though?

President Obama warned Republicans on Capitol Hill today that they need to quit listening to radio king Rush Limbaugh if they want to get along with Democrats and the new administration.
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I mean seriously is this how you create a bipartisan environment - suggest that R's arguments are created by Rush. It's a ploy to demonize opinion that may be the same criticism that any right winger might use.
 
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volinbham said:
Don't you find this statement a bit insulting though?



I mean seriously is this how you create a bipartisan environment - suggest that R's arguments are created by Rush. It's a ploy to demonize opinion that may be the same criticism that any right winger might use.
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I would not say insulting so much as foolish politically because Rush now has the badge of being assailed by Obama. Every time Obama does anything that doesn't work for the next four years, Rush is going to trot out this quote as proof of being the lone voice of reason in the universe.

When Obama does something good or something that works out, Rush will conveniently ignore the fact that he has done nothing but work to undermine him and literalyl hope the man fails.

Incidentally, what happened to all of those folks who for years thought it unpatriotic to criticize Bush? I realize that was related to the Iraq War and what not. But is it really all that worse -- given our precarious economic situation -- to fan the flames of doubt and squash any budding confidence in the markets?


I would argue that Rush's vow to see Obama fail in his efforts to avoid a devastating Depression are much more likely to negatively affect the day to day lives of those on the brink in this fiscal situation than are a bunch of ladies protesting the War out in front of Bush's ranch in Texas.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I would not say insulting so much as foolish politically because Rush now has the badge of being assailed by Obama. Every time Obama does anything that doesn't work for the next four years, Rush is going to trot out this quote as proof of being the lone voice of reason in the universe.

I don't care what it means to Ditto heads politically. If I were a Republican Congressional member though I'd be pissed.


Incidentally, what happened to all of those folks who for years thought it unpatriotic to criticize Bush? I realize that was related to the Iraq War and what not. But is it really all that worse -- given our precarious economic situation -- to fan the flames of doubt and squash any budding confidence in the markets?


I would argue that Rush's vow to see Obama fail in his efforts to avoid a devastating Depression are much more likely to negatively affect the day to day lives of those on the brink in this fiscal situation than are a bunch of ladies protesting the War out in front of Bush's ranch in Texas.
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Rush is a pot stirrer. His impact on the economy will the same as Reid's/Pelosi's talking it down in 2006. Zero. They certainly "fanned the flames of doubt and squashed any budding confidence in the markets" as much as he does.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I would not say insulting so much as foolish politically because Rush now has the badge of being assailed by Obama. Every time Obama does anything that doesn't work for the next four years, Rush is going to trot out this quote as proof of being the lone voice of reason in the universe.

When Obama does something good or something that works out, Rush will conveniently ignore the fact that he has done nothing but work to undermine him and literalyl hope the man fails.

Incidentally, what happened to all of those folks who for years thought it unpatriotic to criticize Bush? I realize that was related to the Iraq War and what not. But is it really all that worse -- given our precarious economic situation -- to fan the flames of doubt and squash any budding confidence in the markets?


I would argue that Rush's vow to see Obama fail in his efforts to avoid a devastating Depression are much more likely to negatively affect the day to day lives of those on the brink in this fiscal situation than are a bunch of ladies protesting the War out in front of Bush's ranch in Texas.
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But this is exactly what the media with an opposing view have done for years, why should we expect it to be different now?

I believe what people considered unpatriotic was those on the fringe left that proclaimed our troops murderers. Much of the unpatriotic labels were directed at this kind of rhetoric, not calling out Bush for his shortcomings as president.
 
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Rush tries to get a rise out of people, that's all. Does that mean I find him entertaining? No, I find him to be an airhead. But, that's how he does get his ratings. It's just how he rolls.
 
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nickknx865 said:
Rush tries to get a rise out of people, that's all. Does that mean I find him entertaining? No, I find him to be an airhead. But, that's how he does get his ratings. It's just how he rolls.
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Same with Olbermann and Maddow, yet I have never heard LG call them "shrill". Those on the other side of the coin will always find fault in every circumstance warranted or not. It is just the way things are.
 
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Rush is intellectually honest enough to give credit when and where it's due. During the Clinton years, he applauded welfare reform and the balanced budgets. If Obama does well without spiraling the US into Euro-style socialism, Rush will be man enough to admit it. Rush is many things, but he's nothing like the dailyKOS jackasses of the world who would disagree with Bush and call him a chimp faced retard if he dared call the sky blue and roses red.
 
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KB5252 said:
Same with Olbermann and Maddow, yet I have never heard LG call them "shrill". Those on the other side of the coin will always find fault in every circumstance warranted or not. It is just the way things are.
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Olbermann and Maddow don't actively try to be complete a-holes, although it seems like it sometimes.
 
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MG1968 said:
:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

sorry, but that's just not accurate.
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And, how not? I grant, that they are the two most extreme liberals on TV, and radio for that matter. Yes, what Maddow and Olbermann say about the Republicans is borderline crazy sometimes, but they actually believe in what they are saying.
 
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MG1968 said:
Rush is intellectually honest enough to give credit when and where it's due. During the Clinton years, he applauded welfare reform and the balanced budgets. If Obama does well without spiraling the US into Euro-style socialism, Rush will be man enough to admit it. Rush is many things, but he's nothing like the dailyKOS jackasses of the world who would disagree with Bush and call him a chimp faced retard if he dared call the sky blue and roses red.
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That was 12 years ago. He has shown absolutely no inclination to support Obama no matter how much good he does.

Clinton was a southern governor. A left of center one, to be sure, and with his own personal failings. But it is patently obvious that the uber-right sees Obama as a danger to their view of the social order in almost every way. Black. Educated at an Ivy League school. Chicago politics.

They can't afford for Obama to succeed and so no matter what he does or how hard he tries, they'll work their hardest to undermine him.

And by the way, there were people on the left who did the same thing with Bush. I do not deny that for one minute. But this is different. This is deeper and that's because while Bush and Clinton are two sides of the same coin, Obama is on a different coin altogether.
 
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Obama isn't a different coin, he's the same liberal politician wrapped up in a shiny new package.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That was 12 years ago. He has shown absolutely no inclination to support Obama no matter how much good he does.

Clinton was a southern governor. A left of center one, to be sure, and with his own personal failings. But it is patently obvious that the uber-right sees Obama as a danger to their view of the social order in almost every way. Black. Educated at an Ivy League school. Chicago politics.

They can't afford for Obama to succeed and so no matter what he does or how hard he tries, they'll work their hardest to undermine him.

And by the way, there were people on the left who did the same thing with Bush. I do not deny that for one minute. But this is different. This is deeper and that's because while Bush and Clinton are two sides of the same coin, Obama is on a different coin altogether.
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what has Obama done that would merit support from an arch conservative?

How has Limbaugh tried to undermine Obama in this case, when Obama threw the first stone. Bottom line is that Obama could simply have said that neoconservatism isn't going to be very productive here, find a new tack. He didn't. He tried to marginalize a guy that he can't marginalize.
 
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