this is great. hussein O griping about Rush

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lawgator1 said:
That was 12 years ago. He has shown absolutely no inclination to support Obama no matter how much good he does.

Clinton was a southern governor. A left of center one, to be sure, and with his own personal failings. But it is patently obvious that the uber-right sees Obama as a danger to their view of the social order in almost every way. Black. Educated at an Ivy League school. Chicago politics.

They can't afford for Obama to succeed and so no matter what he does or how hard he tries, they'll work their hardest to undermine him.

And by the way, there were people on the left who did the same thing with Bush. I do not deny that for one minute. But this is different. This is deeper and that's because while Bush and Clinton are two sides of the same coin, Obama is on a different coin altogether.
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Republican objections to Obama are not about his color (save a few inbred bigots), it is about his perceived Euro Socialist leanings which when being objective is fairly valid given what we know about his past and his stated priorities. To claim this is because he is educated and black is false.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That was 12 years ago. He has shown absolutely no inclination to support Obama no matter how much good he does.

Clinton was a southern governor. A left of center one, to be sure, and with his own personal failings. But it is patently obvious that the uber-right sees Obama as a danger to their view of the social order in almost every way. Black. Educated at an Ivy League school. Chicago politics.

They can't afford for Obama to succeed and so no matter what he does or how hard he tries, they'll work their hardest to undermine him.

And by the way, there were people on the left who did the same thing with Bush. I do not deny that for one minute. But this is different. This is deeper and that's because while Bush and Clinton are two sides of the same coin, Obama is on a different coin altogether.
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You either had too much Obama cool aid or ... never mind I would probably get a vacation for posting that.


Republicans and more specifically Conservatives don't want Obama to succeed for one reason IF OBAMA SUCCEEDS IN HIS STATED PLANS, WE WILL NO LONGER BE THE UNITED STATES, BUT RATHER AN APPENDAGE OF EUROPEAN SOCIALISM

To make this claim embittered racism is juvenile at best.
 
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Headed For Home said:
You either had too much Obama cool aid or ... never mind I would probably get a vacation for posting that.


Republicans and more specifically Conservatives don't want Obama to succeed for one reason IF OBAMA SUCCEEDS IN HIS STATED PLANS, WE WILL NO LONGER BE THE UNITED STATES, BUT RATHER AN APPENDAGE OF EUROPEAN SOCIALISM

To make this claim embittered racism is juvenile at best.
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Socialism is the collective ownership of production of goods and services by the government. That is not Obama's goal.
 
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If Barack Obama mirrored Ronald Reagan's philosophies, I would be vehemently defending him.

Obama more closely mirrors Vladimir Lenin. Therefore, I must vehemently oppose him.

It's that simple.
 
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nickknx865 said:
But then again, the current President of the United States and a thief should never be used in comparison.
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I'm not comparing him to a thief. Just pointing out that despite their plans nobody runs for President on a platform of government intrusion and higher taxes.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm not comparing him to a thief. Just pointing out that despite their plans nobody runs for President on a platform of government intrusion and higher taxes.
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While you're correct, saying that Obama's govenment intrusion would be problematic, after the screw up we just had for president, and his communist intrusion into the lives of Americans, is like comparing a flea bite to an alligator snap.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
what has Obama done that would merit support from an arch conservative?

How has Limbaugh tried to undermine Obama in this case, when Obama threw the first stone. Bottom line is that Obama could simply have said that neoconservatism isn't going to be very productive here, find a new tack. He didn't. He tried to marginalize a guy that he can't marginalize.
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Last week, Rush actually said he hoped that Obama would fail. Rush threw the first stone and I think Obama's point was please work with me, don't just bend over and take it from Rush to make him and his dittoheads happy.




KB5252 said:
Republican objections to Obama are not about his color (save a few inbred bigots), it is about his perceived Euro Socialist leanings which when being objective is fairly valid given what we know about his past and his stated priorities. To claim this is because he is educated and black is false.
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SavageOrangeJug said:
If Barack Obama mirrored Ronald Reagan's philosophies, I would be vehemently defending him.

Obama more closely mirrors Vladimir Lenin. Therefore, I must vehemently oppose him.

It's that simple.
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I keep seeing these claims that Obama is like Lenin and joe has Obama and Marx on his avatar like that. But I don't think you guys truly understand the complxity of what you are saying. There are numerous substantial differences between Marx and Lenin, the most notable being revolution versus evolution in reaching a socialist state.

Point is, I wish people would not just throw around these terms like "Marxist" or "socialist" when there are so many gradations of what you are talking about economically that one cannot even being to count them.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I must have just missed all of your posts condemning those regularly calling Bush a moron on here.
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Because the man has 8 years of incredible stupidity and nativity to back it up. From everything from ignoring CIA reports that there were plans for a terrorist attack in the works, to leaving New Orleans for dead, to launching a war to find WMD's that were non-existent, yes, I can firmly plant my foot down in saying that Bush's presidency was a joke, to put things lightly.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I keep seeing these claims that Obama is like Lenin and joe has Obama and Marx on his avatar like that. But I don't think you guys truly understand the complxity of what you are saying. There are numerous substantial differences between Marx and Lenin, the most notable being revolution versus evolution in reaching a socialist state.

Point is, I wish people would not just throw around these terms like "Marxist" or "socialist" when there are so many gradations of what you are talking about economically that one cannot even being to count them.
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Thank you. That's the whole point. Obama's goal is a socialist state. Same goal, different vehicle to arrive at that goal.
 
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GAVol said:
There was more to his comment than that . . . not that you'd be worried about the context.
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Oh right, the disclaimer that he hoped he would fail if it meant that he would not succeed in making us socialist.

Yeah, that gave it a lot of meaningful context.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Oh right, the disclaimer that he hoped he would fail if it meant that he would not succeed in making us socialist.

Yeah, that gave it a lot of meaningful context.
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you apparently don't appreciate the point, but I'm 100% certain that it describes the attitude of millions in our country.

We'd rather struggle and be capitalists than prosper and be socialists.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Thank you. That's the whole point. Obama's goal is a socialist state. Same goal, different vehicle to arrive at that goal.
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By that broad definition:

No Child Left Behind? Socialist

Expanding Medicare or Medicaid under Bush? Socialist

Public Education across the board, including your state-subsidized education at UT?


SOCIALIST
 
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lawgator1 said:
Oh right, the disclaimer that he hoped he would fail if it meant that he would not succeed in making us socialist.

Yeah, that gave it a lot of meaningful context.
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I think Limbaugh is a complete windbag, but the context makes all the difference. He never made a blanket statement saying that he wanted him to fail no matter what.
 
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