This is mushroom cloud worthy

[volinbham]

GS, looks like you have an echo.

Nice deflection.



Is you point that humans do bad things? Well sure they do. Hardly supports a moral equivalency argument (despite the lynching photo from nearly a century ago).

Simple example - one of our State Dept reps suggests to China that we have our problems too. His example, the Arizona immigration law. If the law does discriminate (we don't know that it will) is that the same as the Chinese government silencing critics via imprisonment or making critics permanently disappear?

The Taliban was the government of Afghanistan until 9 - 10 years ago. You can debate whether or not we should have removed them but suggesting we have problems/they have problems equates all human bad behavior (by any individual citizen). I'm not buying it.

 

[TruthIsOutThere]

Nice deflection.



Is you point that humans do bad things? Well sure they do. Hardly supports a moral equivalency argument (despite the lynching photo from nearly a century ago).

Simple example - one of our State Dept reps suggests to China that we have our problems too. His example, the Arizona immigration law. If the law does discriminate (we don't know that it will) is that the same as the Chinese government silencing critics via imprisonment or making critics permanently disappear?

The Taliban was the government of Afghanistan until 9 - 10 years ago. You can debate whether or not we should have removed them but suggesting we have problems/they have problems equates all human bad behavior (by any individual citizen). I'm not buying it.

I'm not sure why this has turned into a moral equivalency debate. I actually don't think we are morally equivalent to the Taliban. I believe were morally superior at this point in tims - though not always in our history. My point is different though - if we look at the terrible murder of this child as justification for laying waste to the middle east (we can presumably make this decision because were morally superior right?), were walking down the same logical line as our enemies. Remember, quite a few of the muslim terrorists act because they are convinced of their moral superority. They used this belief to commit their terrible act of cowardice on September 11. I don't want my country taking the same path.

My historical argument is simply a recognition that through the course of American history we have done some reprehensable things. I'm glad nobody found our country "mushroom cloud worthy" during these times.

I'm tired and on the blackberry so please excuse any typos.
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[gsvol]

Guess I need to clear a few things up -

1. I don't care at all what happens to any Taliban POS. They can all die for all I care. Light them up. Burn them down.

2. My posting was specifically targeting the OP's assertion that this child's murder deserves a nuclear response, or was, specifically, mushroom cloud worthy. Unless we have developed a nuclear bomb that can kill only talibani militants, this will result in quite a bit of collaeral damage. I guess you and I differ in that you are ok with this. I, on the other hand realize that not all Afghanis are in the Taliban, and therefore, should not be nuked.

3. As far as your assertion that there is a "Huge difference" between this poor boys homicide and what occurs in this country - absolutely I see it. Told you, believe the Taliban is dispicble and should be destroyed. But, seriously GS, in the few seconds before any child, or any person for that matter is murdered, do you think they give a shi% if it's "act of intimidation by an organized group for political purposes." I don't.

4. Your suggestion that I live in some other countries so that I would hold American in a higher esteem is a little odd. I'm not what gave you the opinion that I don't hold our country in a high esteem. I actually have lived in Brazil, India, and Egypt (only 3 months). I'm also fortunate to travel frequently for work. I've traveled extensively through Europe, Northern Africa, the Middle East, South America, and a little bit of Asia. Every time I get home I thank GOD I'm back. I love my country, but I don't look at it through rose colored glasses. We have done some wonderful things as a nation, and we've done some terrible things.

5. Lastly, I didn't say we have "as f'd up problems as any place", I said "we have our f'd up problems as much as anyplace." China has problems, Iran has problems, England has problems, and yes, the US has problems. We have serious problems - hunger, murder, lies, corruption. So this circles back to the original post. Just as I'm glad we will not nuke Afghanistan because of the terrible and disgusting Taliban, I'm glad some super being doesn't decide to wipe us off the face of the earth because of our problems or what we have done (thinking ending of the movie "The Abyss"). Most of us are decent people, just trying to get through the day. In my experience, that is a common thread running through most humanity across the globe.

Excuse me if I missed your nuance.

As for what f-d up problems we can expect, I would say it can only get worse unless we cut back on allowing muslim immigration and in particular need to repeal the barney frank rewrite immigration law tht prevents our state department from denying a visa application even if they know the applicat has ties to a terrorist group and secondly we need to stem the flow of illegal border crossings into this country, for economic reasons and secondly these days there are more illegals who are carreer criminals and/or islamic terrorists.

 

[gsvol]

Man, I'm so far from liberal...:blink:

I didn't say you were liberal, I implied you were indocrtinated in a way of thinking that uses a moral equivalency filter though which all thoughts must pass.

That's why one sees some many absurd analogies presented on the board, mostly they come from younger posters and/or what we call liberal types.

What is generally called liberal today has very little in common with classic liberal thought, what we deride today as iberal is much closer to radical, leftist, socialist.

 

[BoseefusTheVol]

I didn't say you were liberal, I implied you were indocrtinated in a way of thinking that uses a moral equivalency filter though which all thoughts must pass.

That's why one sees some many absurd analogies presented on the board, mostly they come from younger posters and/or what we call liberal types.

What is generally called liberal today has very little in common with classic liberal thought, what we deride today as iberal is much closer to radical, leftist, socialist.

Or what you call Libtards... :crazy:

 

[BoseefusTheVol]

I didn't say you were liberal, I implied you were indocrtinated in a way of thinking that uses a moral equivalency filter though which all thoughts must pass.

That's why one sees some many absurd analogies presented on the board, mostly they come from younger posters and/or what we call liberal types.

What is generally called liberal today has very little in common with classic liberal thought, what we deride today as iberal is much closer to radical, leftist, socialist.

Your avatar looks familiar... who is that dork?

 

[gsvol]

First volbham can and does speak for himslef, he doesn't need me to help him think or speak.

I'm not sure why this has turned into a moral equivalency debate. I actually don't think we are morally equivalent to the Taliban. I believe were morally superior at this point in tims - though not always in our history. My point is different though - if we look at the terrible murder of this child as justification for laying waste to the middle east (we can presumably make this decision because were morally superior right?), were walking down the same logical line as our enemies. Remember, quite a few of the muslim terrorists act because they are convinced of their moral superority. They used this belief to commit their terrible act of cowardice on September 11. I don't want my country taking the same path.

My historical argument is simply a recognition that through the course of American history we have done some reprehensable things. I'm glad nobody found our country "mushroom cloud worthy" during these times.

I'm tired and on the blackberry so please excuse any typos.
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I think you are the only one who took kiss literally, she was merely expressing moral outrage.

As for doing moral reprehensible things, how do you think WWII would have turned out if we focused on winning hearts and minds rather than doing whatever necessary to devastate the enemy??

As for no one thinking America to be mushroom cloud worthy, your statement is laughable, plenty have considered the USA to be mushroom cloud worthy, it's just that they have either been concerned with retribution or have been unable to accomplish the feat SO FAR.

 

[Daddy Gee]

a large attack on US soil might merit a nuke .. but, it seems that the US's problem will be that an attack on an American city probably won't bear the fingerprint of any one country ... so who you gonna nuke in that case?

 

[gsvol]

Your avatar looks familiar... who is that dork?

Who is the yo yo you use for an avatar??

If you really want to see a dork ,look in the mirror.

Ask Golfballs who is in my avatar, I just explained that yesterday, would you believe the man with the carrots is in the US Astraonauts Hall of Fame?? He has more accomplishments to his name than you will in ten lifetimes and also has a terrific sense of humor, a quality in which you are sorely lacking.

 

[gsvol]

a large attack on US soil might merit a nuke .. but, it seems that the US's problem will be that an attack on an American city probably won't bear the fingerprint of any one country ... so who you gonna nuke in that case?

Mecca for starters?? (preferably during the hadj.)

 

[gsvol]

Or what you call Libtards... :crazy:

See post #284 in this thread.

That's a start. :hi:

 

[TruthIsOutThere]

Mecca for starters?? (preferably during the hadj.)

I know this response came after a hypothetical attack on US soil. But, out of curiosity, if you were given absolute control of the US arsenal right now, and there would be no repercussions (none at all), would you target Mecca and drop the bomb? Just curious.
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[gsvol]

I know this response came after a hypothetical attack on US soil. But, out of curiosity, if you were given absolute control of the US arsenal right now, and there would be no repercussions (none at all), would you target Mecca and drop the bomb? Just curious.
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No, of course not, but I would put that option on the table and until they can modify their anti-american rhetoric, I would leave it on the table.

I would also put the option on the table to cluster bomb the f-k out of Iran's next 'death to America day' celebration.