This isn't Just About Abortion

#51
#51
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
or they could stop spreadin their legs for everything with a pulse or use birth control
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That sounds like a good place to start. You should sign up as a speaker at your local Y and highschools to volunteer to work with kids to reduce teen sex and increase birth control useage. Or you could just keep bitching about it and wait for someone else to do something.
 
#54
#54
BigPapaVol said:
and that, sir, is much of the reason that I'm cool with abortion.
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But if we're encouraging some not to have abortions because of "incentive loopholes" in the social support systems, it doesn't matter.

The rational people who know they can't support a child will not have it, the ones who are after fatter checks will anyway.
 
#55
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DC Vol said:
But if we're encouraging some not to have abortions because of "incentive loopholes" in the social support systems, it doesn't matter.

The rational people who know they can't support a child will not have it, the ones who are after fatter checks will anyway.
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I didn't say it would solve the problem, but simply that he named one of the reasons that I don't care about the issue. There are positives and negatives and no real reason for me to give a rip. I generally don't, except in the case of some of our posters who shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. In those cases, I'd even advocate aborting their pets' pregnancies.
 
#56
#56
tnvolsfan85 said:
I am pro-life and pro death penalty. However, in saying that, I feel like there is more important things going on right now. He needs to worry about the economy and this country safe. And I don't believe that we should have the pay for this.
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We already pay for abortion via our tax dollars going to Planned Parenthood. By doing this it will simply open up more money to subsidize what is already a billion dollar industry in America.
 
#59
#59
BigPapaVol said:
but for many there is no moral question.
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It really does boil down to when you believe life begins, for most people anyway. Some simply do not care about possible moral implications because they weigh it with the alternative. I understand and can respect that.

Like you say you can't legislate against stupidity and stupid people will continue having babies they neither intend or want to care for. There really is a catch 22 here.
 
#60
#60
KB5252 said:
It really does boil down to when you believe life begins, for most people anyway. Some simply do not care about possible moral implications because they weigh it with the alternative. I understand and can respect that.

Like you say you can't legislate against stupidity and stupid people will continue having babies they neither intend or want to care for. There really is a catch 22 here.
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it's certainly not an easy question, but our current solution is basically a random shot a when life actually begins and the amoral just get around it using iffy docs willing to diagnose the need and and then performing partial birth abortions. Partial Birth Abortions are, IMO, murder, but I've lived some special circumstances with my kids to see it that way.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
That sounds like a good place to start. You should sign up as a speaker at your local Y and highschools to volunteer to work with kids to reduce teen sex and increase birth control useage. Or you could just keep bitching about it and wait for someone else to do something.
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or I could keep on what im doing in working with the kids I already work with and develop these type programs to implement on a state wide level when I start my job with the state this summer and try to make a statewide impact as compared to your small scale local y and local hs talk. you need to think on larger scales haha
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#62
#62
I'm pro-life and think we should reduce the death penalty but not against it. If someone murders someone else and they do it in front of witnesses, that is one thing, but we shouldn't just give someone the death penalty because they were wearing size 11 Ponys and CSI finds a print for a size 11 Pony next to the body for example. On second thought, if they're wearing Pony's and they find a print than they probably found the killer. Now, if it were Nike give them life.
 
#63
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615 Vol said:
I'm pro-life and think we should reduce the death penalty but not against it. If someone murders someone else and they do it in front of witnesses, that is one thing, but we shouldn't just give someone the death penalty because they were wearing size 11 Ponys and CSI finds a print for a size 11 Pony next to the body for example. On second thought, if they're wearing Pony's and they find a print than they probably found the killer. Now, if it were Nike give them life.
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If they're wearing Pony's, get them some new shoes made in the last decade or so.
 
#65
#65
BigPapaVol said:
Officials: Obama to reverse abortion policy - Yahoo! News

It's about that we're spending federal dollars to market abortions.

Author tried to pretend that Obama has spent his first days signing Executive Orders that have handled issues with universal support for the change. Puh-lease.
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Agreed, it is not. In an era of "responsible government", an Obama thing, he is trying to find more ways to blow money. Exactly how does this stimulate the economy?
 
#66
#66
Money saved on welfare?

What does that have to do with ending life?

What about right and wrong. If a killer was on the loose going to hospitals and killing 1 day old babies he would be considered the most heinous criminal ever. If those same babies are killed before birth it's OK?

The choice is the use of birth control or not to chance it, and if birth control fails, then the choice is to be responsible and be the best mother or father you can be. All Americans have inalienable rights which include LIFE!
 
#67
#67
Pro-Choice, Pro-Death Penalty.

With the abortion issue, it all comes down to when life is considered a viable, conscious being. I think late term abortions are wrong, but something like stem cell research is perfectly reasonable. I don't pretend to know where the cut-off is in between these stages, but I certainly don't believe life begins at conception.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Less than 10% of kids in foster care get adopted every year.
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That's foster kids ... not newborn babies. I'm not saying that foster kids are less important or anything, but I'm pretty certain that there are waiting lists for newborn babies.
 
#71
#71
rjd970 said:
Pro-Choice, Pro-Death Penalty.

With the abortion issue, it all comes down to when life is considered a viable, conscious being. I think late term abortions are wrong, but something like stem cell research is perfectly reasonable. I don't pretend to know where the cut-off is in between these stages, but I certainly don't believe life begins at conception.
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You don't know, but yet you are going to go ahead and make that choice. Awesome. That's like Obama saying that decision is above his pay grade, but yet he goes ahead and supports abortion. So, he IS obviously making that decision.
 
#72
#72
He's saying he doesn't know when it starts in the devlopment cycle, but he doesn't believe those little bundle of cells in the first week are anything resembling life. I aree with him, rjd.
 
#73
#73
This really isn't a hard thing to figure out. We can complicate it to the point it fits our needs to defend a position...cloud it to the point it sounds really, really understandable...but it's a load of hoooey.

If you take a seed, place it in fertile soil, give it a dab of water......the second that seed starts to root, life begins. Plain and simple guys. Is is a tree yet? No, but to rip it out of the ground and deny it's ability to grow into one is simply killing the plant. Twist it, wrap it up, throw some color on it, photoshop it, use great words only academics understand but you know what....simple as chess pie....it's killing.
 
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#74
666 said:
He's saying he doesn't know when it starts in the devlopment cycle, but he doesn't believe those little bundle of cells in the first week are anything resembling life. I aree with him, rjd.
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Ok ... well if you don't know, then how can you make that decision? If you or him or anyone else don't "believe" that that's when life begins, then at what point is it life? It's a bundle of cells at 2 weeks or 40 weeks or 100 years. So, when??? When the cells form into fingers? Or eyes? Or a heart? Or a brain? You tell me. I bet you're glad that your mom was at least at one point pro-life.
 
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#75
666 said:
He's saying he doesn't know when it starts in the devlopment cycle, but he doesn't believe those little bundle of cells in the first week are anything resembling life. I aree with him, rjd.
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You agree we should find more reasons to give away money?
 
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