this will happen to America

#251
#251
Ed12111 said:
Shocking. BigPapaVol is eerily silent when pressed for an actual response.
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Don't keep being so idiotic. I didnt go silent. I left, then forgot about the thread. The day the government gets into happiness indices and makes decisions based upon relative wealth within our borders making people happy is the day the idiots completely rule.

The base of American power has been entrepreneurialism, individuality and ingenuity. Any system that further undermines those is stupid. Leveled pay structures or govt driven equalization will undermine incentives.

Your idiotic response to MY question was a freaking happiness index, solely, and you had the audacity to call mine a non response. This was one of the issues upon which you called your views superior ad you're stuck at a happiness index.

Call daddy, maybe he can help you understand better why you think redistri makes your issues real.
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#252
#252
BigPapaVol said:
Don't keep being so idiotic. I didnt go silent. I left, then forgot about the thread. The day the government gets into happiness indices and makes decisions based upon relative wealth within our borders making people happy is the day the idiots completely rule.

The base of American power has been entrepreneurialism, individuality and ingenuity. Any system that further undermines those is stupid. Leveled pay structures or govt driven equalization will undermine incentives.

Your idiotic response to MY question was a freaking happiness index, solely, and you had the audacity to call mine a non response. This was one of the issues upon which you called your views superior ad you're stuck at a happiness index.

Call daddy, maybe he can help you understand better why you think redistri makes your issues real.
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Another non answer. Best not to call other people stupid if you can't give an answer. I'll ask again what is the ultimate goal of tax policy? I'll expect more name-calling and no answer.
 
#253
#253
Ed12111 said:
That would be pretty remarkable if the group without the money was footing the bill.
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so they shouldn't pay for the services they consume? and they aren't "without money" they have "less money." HUGE friggin difference.
 
#256
#256
Ed12111 said:
You don't get it. If money making were a talent(it's probably intelligence hard work and likability and some other things) then some would be more talented than others. Just like some are more intelligent than others and some can play basketball or the piano better than others. But if the system we are in was fair(the way some people claim) the distribution of wealth would be similar to the distribution of SAT scores, batting average, or height. That is so far from the case. Therefore, the case must be made that either the ability to make money is completely different than any other human ability, or the system is indeed not fair. One of these is more likely than the other.
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No. I do get it. I don't think you are completely off base with your diagnosis of an important problem.

You ARE COMPLETELY off base with what you seem to think the solution is. The Keynesian/Big Gov't model you seem to favor is a big part of the CAUSE... it is NOT part of the solution at all.

Freedom works. Freedom is threatened by concentrations of power and money whether it be in gov't, business, religion, or any other group.

You can NEVER solve the problem of income inequity by empowering gov't to take from the productive... you only make everyone poorer.
 
#257
#257
droski said:
so they shouldn't pay for the services they consume? and they aren't "without money" they have "less money." HUGE friggin difference.
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Much more importantly... they aren't without the resources (if properly motivated) to acquire money legally if they don't have it.

If we were ONLY caring for those who had no ability to contribute to the economy then we would not have the budget problems we have and the economy would be much healthier.

The elephant in the room is that we have too many people who consume without making a contribution to the net wealth of the country.
 
#258
#258
Ed12111 said:
Another non answer. Best not to call other people stupid if you can't give an answer. I'll ask again what is the ultimate goal of tax policy? I'll expect more name-calling and no answer.
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to fund government operations. period. Federal taxes should only be used to fund the 18 enumerated powers found in Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution.

tax policy should never be used as a blunt instrument to enforce social or economic remedies.
 
#259
#259
MG1968 said:
to fund government operations. period. Federal taxes should only be used to fund the 18 enumerated powers found in Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution.

tax policy should never be used as a blunt instrument to enforce social or economic remedies.
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At least it's an answer.
 
#269
#269
BeecherVol said:
Actually it was "stupid".

I thought he would be a little more cordial since you answered his question.
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I didn't call him stupid. It's not really an answer though. Ignoring how silly I think it would be to completely trash any advancements our countries made in the past couple hundred years. Ignoring that that still doesn't dictate how much needs to be raised. You still have the issue of how much different people need to be taxed.
 
#270
#270
Ed12111 said:
I didn't call him stupid. It's not really an answer though. Ignoring how silly I think it would be to completely trash any advancements our countries made in the past couple hundred years. Ignoring that that still doesn't dictate how much needs to be raised. You still have the issue of how much different people need to be taxed.
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MG1968 said:
to fund government operations. period. Federal taxes should only be used to fund the 18 enumerated powers found in Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution.

tax policy should never be used as a blunt instrument to enforce social or economic remedies.
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By advancements are you talking about issues above and beyond what he mentioned?
 
#273
#273
Ed12111 said:
If we were to do only what he said, where would we be scientifically(just one example)? We probably couldn't even be having this conversation.
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Thats right. Because if we didn't have the government everyone would die.
 
#275
#275
Ed12111 said:
At least it's an answer.
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You need to read the Dr's oath... first rule, do no harm. You don't "answer" a problem by making it worse.

You and I seem to be like doctors that have independently and correctly diagnosed that alcholism is killing a patient. I prescribe a cure that says the patient must stop drinking, start eathing a healthy diet, and develop activities and habits that enhance life while removing them from corrupting temptations (bars, drinking parties, etc)

Your cure... "Alcohol is killing you... let me introduce you to a meth dealer."
 
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