This winter is killing two of the biggest scare tactic lies ever told...

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#27
Throw the word trends and climate around all you want. I find pretty ironic the climate folks can't make into or out of D.C. because of the weather. Gore is sitting in front of his gas fire place holding his Nobel Peace Prize just laughing and laughing hysterically until the wee hours of the morning.
 
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I'll just be happy if this cold winter kills many of the annoying bugs that force me to use insect repellent every summer.
 
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#29
Well, it must be a hoax. Sarah Palin called climate change "snake oil science".

Let that be the end of the debate.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Has nothing to do with the winter, has more to do with people waking up and realizing that the government is just wanting more money and control. If they get enough people to believe that man is changing the weather, not just the temperature, then they will be able to have more control over our daily lives. Thank goodness though that more and more American's are realizing that the weather changes and their is nothing we are doing to cause it and there is nothing that we can do to change it. Now, that being said, I'm all about a cleaner planet.
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Weather isn't climate.
 
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IPorange said:
Weather isn't climate.
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True, in a strict since it is two different things. I need to change my post. :)

volball625 said:
Don't waste your time Scribbley. The majority of people on here have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to global warming.
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I don't think it's a waste of time. This is how I see it. I don't think your going to change most peoples minds by arguing your position on Vol Nation. Most people have already decided what they believe and their position is not going to change. Maybe it's already been decided for them by their political party (Democrat and Republican). I'm not like that. I ride the fence on the issue because I'm not exactly sure what to believe. The information collected, over a period of time, seems to indicate that we are warming. I'm just curious how much politics is playing into it all. I'm also interested to know how much of the problem is our doing or just a natural process.

I should add that I can understand why you say it's a waste of time and in a lot of ways I agree. Most of the time it's better to make your point as clearly as you can and move along.
 
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#33
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I say don't waste your time because most of the people on here literally have no idea what they are talking about. Just go look in the basketball forum. People think that just because they post on a message board that they know what they are talking about.
 
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VolInMn said:
Well, it must be a hoax. Sarah Palin called climate change "snake oil science".

Let that be the end of the debate.
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I think Sarah is losing credibility. Some of it is the Democrat propaganda machine but some is her own doing.
 
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VolInMn said:
Well, it must be a hoax. Sarah Palin called climate change "snake oil science".

Let that be the end of the debate.
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If you think Al Gore is an expert you're sadly mistaken. He knows buzz words and can brief graphs. That's about it.
 
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volball625 said:
I say don't waste your time because most of the people on here literally have no idea what they are talking about. Just go look in the basketball forum. People think that just because they post on a message board that they know what they are talking about.
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I think it's interesting that those posters that I know have a knowledge of the science, generally have the fewest posts in the threads...
 
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#38
gore-pray.jpg
 
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VolInMn said:
Straw man much?
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You want to pick on Palin who doesn't know much (No argument here). I was pointing out who on your end of the argument the point man for the Global Warming cause who isn't an expert either. Next time I'll spell it out for you. I'll put in graphs, pie charts and brief it with Powerpoint.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
You want to pick on Palin who doesn't know much (No argument here). I was pointing out who on your end of the argument the point man for the Global Warming cause who isn't an expert either. Next time I'll spell it out for you. I'll put in graphs, pie charts and brief it with Powerpoint.
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Well.....thanks for refuting a point I never made, I guess. :hi:
 
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So, I'll chime in here.

My personal opinion is this. Climate change is happening, and occurring at this point. That much, I'll agree with. However, I honestly don't think that it is man's fault for such change. Or at least that we're the only reason and that nothing else the Earth might be doing could be causing. I don't think that about 200 years of an industrialized world could cause such a drastic change in the atmosphere without at least a little help from Mother Earth.

Also, I honestly don't think we have enough measurable data to determine if what is happening now is just a cycle in the Earth's long history, or indeed, a oddity in the atmosphere. We only have about 150 years of daily measureables(high temps, low temps, humidity, air pressure, etc.), and I think it would take a lot more years or measurable data to determine if such a thing is anthropogenic or not.

Just my .02
 
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IPorange said:
Weather isn't climate.
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True, but you can't have one without the other. You can't separate the two and win the argument. Remember when Al Gore said there would be massive hurricanes because of global warming/climate change?? Yeah, where are those at?? The oceans are at a 10 year low in temperature. Once again, Mother Nature prevails and lets man know that we can't change crap because it's not meant for us to change. Keeping the planet clean and over developing land are two different beasts though.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
True, but you can't have one without the other. You can't separate the two and win the argument. Remember when Al Gore said there would be massive hurricanes because of global warming/climate change?? Yeah, where are those at?? The oceans are at a 10 year low in temperature. Once again, Mother Nature prevails and lets man know that we can't change crap because it's not meant for us to change. Keeping the planet clean and over developing land are two different beasts though.
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Al Gore isn't a scientist. Find me one peer-reviewed published study he was even a co-author on. The Al Gore straw man is played out.

You CAN separate weather from climate. They are two different things. Weather is an event. Climate is a prevailing set of conditions that have to be measured over a long period of time. Saying that there wasn't very many hurricanes in the Caribbean last year or it's pretty cold outside in Knoxville has no real bearing on climate, because of the extremely limited temporal and spatial frame.

And unless you want to get into a conversation about thermo-haline circulation and oceanic cycles, you probably want to back off the ocean temperature thing. Suffice it to say those don't run on annual or even ten year scales. They're called multi-decadal oscillations for a reason.
 
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IPorange said:
Al Gore isn't a scientist. Find me one peer-reviewed published study he was even a co-author on. The Al Gore straw man is played out.

You CAN separate weather from climate. They are two different things. Weather is an event. Climate is a prevailing set of conditions that have to be measured over a long period of time. Saying that there wasn't very many hurricanes in the Caribbean last year or it's pretty cold outside in Knoxville has no real bearing on climate, because of the extremely limited temporal and spatial frame.

And unless you want to get into a conversation about thermo-haline circulation and oceanic cycles, you probably want to back off the ocean temperature thing. Suffice it to say those don't run on annual or even ten year scales. They're called multi-decadal oscillations for a reason.
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After seeing you argue this subject, one has to wonder how many government grants you have gotten honestly, and I'm not just talking about climate change.
 
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