This Year is just not ours.

#27
#27
sport3500 said:
If Tennessee makes the NIT field, I would call this a successful season.

This loss to Texas A&M took them off the NCAA Tournament bubble.
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Does take us out of the in with 18 scenario. Win out or 8 of 11 and we could still make it. That was a q3 loss. KY has a q4.
 
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#28
#28
Since LT went down we have lost 100% of our top 5 from a year ago. We aren't Kentucky and can reload another lineup capable of making the NCAA tourney with ease. They'll get better and look to next year for the Big Dance. NIT is the end of this season it appears.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Well, we led the SEC in defensive rebounding last year. I think it just hurts that we lost so much talent and didn't replace it with enough guys ready to play immediately.

4 ORebs is pathetic though. The percentages look even worse. We rebounded 16% (4 of 24) of our own misses. A&M rebounded 59% (23 or 39) of their misses. That is a sobering stat that reflects poor effort, IMO.
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We haven’t ranked better than 218th nationally in defensive rebounding under Barnes
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LivinginthePast said:
Bad calls don’t mean anything. We can not consistently score. We lose to a terrible team after playing one of the best teams great. We will take this off year and hope this new class that is top ten will produce next year. Go vols.
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Was always gonna be a step back given that we lost 4 professional basketball players and all that production.

That said, really disappointed in how this team plays. Poor to no discipline with the ball, no shooters, and just generally soft. Tonight was as bad as it gets. Definitely need an infusion of talent, thankfully that appears to be coming next year.
 
#35
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sport3500 said:
If Tennessee makes the NIT field, I would call this a successful season.

This loss to Texas A&M took them off the NCAA Tournament bubble.
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Any year you don't make the tourney is an unsuccessful season. The only reason I hope they make the NIT is to give The younger guys some more game experience.
 
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volKano said:
I got blasted last week for saying this team is hard to watch ....but I’m right.
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It amazed me that some people on VN kept saying during FB season that they could not wait for BB season. I was thinking why? You think BB Season was going to be any better with losing the three best players from last year.o_O
 
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golfballs said:
It’s defensive rebounding. Aka defending offensive rebounds. His stats are adjusted based on opportunities. Just like PPG doesn’t equate to the best offense when pace makes such a big difference
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If that stat is defensive rebounding, I struggle with the idea that it's abbreviation is OR%. To me OR% would stand for offensive rebounding %, as in the percentage of your total rebounds that are on the offensive glass. Without seeing the entire stat line to compare, its difficult to get a sense of what KenPom is trying to illustrate.

I just don't think it's accurate to say we haven't ever been a good defensive rebounding team under Barnes. Adjusted or otherwise, we didn't accidentally lead the SEC in DRPG, last season.

I have always felt like Barnes' Tennessee teams have struggled to rebound on the offensive end, however. That stat you presented would seem to support that theory, but again, without the full picture, it's tough to tell.
 
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cncchris33 said:
If that stat is defensive rebounding, I struggle with the idea that it's abbreviation is OR%. To me OR% would stand for offensive rebounding %, as in the percentage of your total rebounds that are on the offensive glass. Without seeing the entire stat line to compare, its difficult to get a sense of what KenPom is trying to illustrate.

I just don't think it's accurate to say we haven't ever been a good defensive rebounding team under Barnes. Adjusted or otherwise, we didn't accidentally lead the SEC in DRPG, last season.

I have always felt like Barnes' Tennessee teams have struggled to rebound on the offensive end, however. That stat you presented would seem to support that theory, but again, without the full picture, it's tough to tell.
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its how he categorized the stat. There’s obviously Fg% which is both offensive and defensive. He should probably just call it “rebounding” but its also offensive and defensive. He looks at the total number of rebounds in a game and what percentage a team pulls in. It’s like a ratio of offensive rebounds given up to defensive rebounds secured. Because we play good defense and force a lot of missed shots there are a lot of rebound opportunities. So while we might get a lot in terms of volume we also give up a lot of offensive rebounds
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golfballs said:
its how he categorized the stat. There’s obviously Fg% which is both offensive and defensive. He should probably just call it “rebounding” but its also offensive and defensive. He looks at the total number of rebounds in a game and what percentage a team pulls in. It’s like a ratio of offensive rebounds given up to defensive rebounds secured. Because we play good defense and force a lot of missed shots there are a lot of rebound opportunities. So while we might get a lot in terms of volume we also give up a lot of offensive rebounds
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That explanation makes more sense. Thanks.
 
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overseasorange2 said:
It amazed me that some people on VN kept saying during FB season that they could not wait for BB season. I was thinking why? You think BB Season was going to be any better with losing the three best players from last year.o_O
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Kyle Alexander, Jordan Bone, Admiral Schofield, Grant Williams...aren't they all in the NBA?
 
#43
#43
calban said:
Does take us out of the in with 18 scenario. Win out or 8 of 11 and we could still make it. That was a q3 loss. KY has a q4.
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there are only 2 games on the board that we can consider wins. We play like last night, and we will be lucky to win 4 more SEC games, including SECT.

Don't count on NIT bid with the schedule we have remaining. We may be looking at 15-16 wins this year.
 
#44
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orangemadam said:
there are only 2 games on the board that we can consider wins. We play like last night, and we will be lucky to win 4 more SEC games, including SECT.

Don't count on NIT bid with the schedule we have remaining. We may be looking at 15-16 wins this year.
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That was my opinion after the SC win. Haven't changed but mathematically and with some on VN yer still in til the Fat Lady you know whats.
 
#46
#46
sport3500 said:
If Tennessee makes the NIT field, I would call this a successful season.

This loss to Texas A&M took them off the NCAA Tournament bubble.
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It’s been clear from the jump that this wasn’t a tournament team. The hope was that as the season went along, a young team that had no point guard, not nearly enough inside presence/players and not nearly enough leadership, could grow and improve and clean up their deficiencies.....but that clearly hasn’t happened.

Poor shooters, awful at taking care of the ball, low basketball IQ/acumen......and now add soft as hell on the glass and not able to respond to getting physically punked as a team deficiency.
 
#47
#47
I'm ready for the season to be over then I will watch the LadyVols in the NCAA Tournament,The BaseVols and Tennessee football Spring Practice. I hope the 2020-2021 season will be better for the BasketVols!
 
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#48
#48
Alex10 said:
Yeah we’re putting most of our hope of a really good year next year on a bunch of incoming freshman.. that usually works out so well:)
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UK and Duke seem to survive that annually, so yeah that's the hope. Plus, the gelling and development of our current roster and transfers has plenty of upside too. So, I really don't think much had changed from what most expected before the season. This is a bubble team at best. Gonna have to wait for 21 to win much.
 
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KBVol said:
It’s been clear from the jump that this wasn’t a tournament team. The hope was that as the season went along, a young team that had no point guard, not nearly enough inside presence/players and not nearly enough leadership, could grow and improve and clean up their deficiencies.....but that clearly hasn’t happened.

Poor shooters, awful at taking care of the ball, low basketball IQ/acumen......and now add soft as hell on the glass and not able to respond to getting physically punked as a team deficiency.
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Pretty much. I guess Barnes could pull out some sort of miracle, statistically speaking. But, I'm just hoping that we can do a lot of team development over the rest of the year and get ready for a truly interesting fall 20.
 
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