Thoughts on Keeton

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goldvol said:
Auburn was 8-5 in 2011, not 3-9 as you incorrectly stated. You also conveniently left out that he had no turnovers in those games. And I think if he performs similarly (or has a career day, which is possible), that it will be within 3 td's.
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Stand corrected on the 3-9, they were 8-5, apologies. 3-9 record came in 2012.

What I attempted to do was define his performances vs those 4 teams, arguably the 4 best teams he's ever played....he wasn't particularly good. In fact, his 42.4 QBR suggests he was well below average throwing the ball in those games. What makes you think that it's possible that he has a career game, coming off an ACL injury, with all of his leading WRs gone? Perhaps he was bad for the majority of the game but made some timely throws, runs, plays. However, the stats make it difficult to see that.

You think if he goes 19-36 for 189 yds and 1 td throwing, runs for 28 yds on 9-10 rushes with a long of 12 and maybe 1 td ..... you think that sterling performance keeps the game close? Guess we disagree.
 
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KBVol said:
Stand corrected on the 3-9, they were 8-5, apologies. 3-9 record came in 2012.

So you think if he goes 19-36 for 189 yds and 1 td throwing, runs for 28 yds on 9-10 rushes with a long of 12 and maybe 1 td ..... you think that sterling performance keeps the game close? Guess we disagree.
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Where is the 1 TD coming from? He averages about 3 td's a game, and threw 2 td's 0 ints against the power conference, historically good teams, that I listed. No, I think if he has a decent day against our defense (who recently were the worst in history), then they will win the game. I won't be surprised if he runs for 28 yards on 1 play against us Sunday, and has 80+ rushing yards total. Have you watched us try to contain even bad quarterbacks the last few years? See Florida last year and the mighty South Alabama Jaguars a couple years ago. So yes, we disagree, and I hope you are right.
 
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goldvol said:
Where is the 1 TD coming from? He averages about 3 td's a game, and threw 2 td's 0 ints against the power conference, historically good teams, that I listed. No, I think if he has a decent day against our defense (who recently were the worst in history), then they will win the game. I won't be surprised if he runs for 28 yards on 1 play against us Sunday, and has 80+ rushing yards total. Have you watched us try to contain even bad quarterbacks the last few years? See Florida last year and the might Akron Zips a couple years ago. So yes, we disagree, and I hope you are right.
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Averages chief, averages. As I posted, in those 4 games, he threw 5 tds. Guess I could've said he'd throw 1.25 tds vs us, just thought I'd honor the mathematical principle of rounding down. I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt rushing-wise stating that he'd run for a td vs us, even though in the 4 games referenced, he averaged a td every other game (2 tds in 4 games).

Nobody knows what he's gonna do. I chose to look at past performances to define his play and suggest what we might expect to see.... didn't go pie in the sky like you did and post that he'd rush for 80 yds, which he didn't do vs any of those teams, or break off a 28 yd run....again, something that he didn't do in any of those 4 games.
 
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goldvol said:
Where is the 1 TD coming from? He averages about 3 td's a game, and threw 2 td's 0 ints against the power conference, historically good teams, that I listed. No, I think if he has a decent day against our defense (who recently were the worst in history), then they will win the game. I won't be surprised if he runs for 28 yards on 1 play against us Sunday, and has 80+ rushing yards total. Have you watched us try to contain even bad quarterbacks the last few years? See Florida last year and the mighty South Alabama Jaguars a couple years ago. So yes, we disagree, and I hope you are right.
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Btw, which teams have YOU listed? You responded to my post where I listed the 4 best teams he's played.....Auburn, Wisconsin, USC, BYU.
 
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99bubble said:
I'm no expert by far, but I was a bit nervous about this guy so watched some of his highlights from last year before the injury. Here are my thoughts.



2) He has good...yes...you knew it was coming...
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KBVol said:
Btw, which teams have YOU listed? You responded to my post where I listed the 4 best teams he's played.....Auburn, Wisconsin, USC, BYU.
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Yes, and I also previously listed his stats for 3 of those 4. This is from my post earlier..

2011 Auburn game: 21/30 213yards 0 INTs, along with 2 rushing TD's, lost by 4 points.
2012 Wisconsin: 2 TDs 0 Ints, 75 yards rushing, lost by 2 points
2013 USC 2 TDs 0 Ints, 179 yards, lost by 3 points.
 
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goldvol said:
Yes, and I also previously listed his stats for 3 of those 4. This is from my post earlier..

2011 Auburn game: 21/30 213yards 0 INTs, along with 2 rushing TD's, lost by 4 points.
2012 Wisconsin: 2 TDs 0 Ints, 75 yards rushing, lost by 2 points
2013 USC 2 TDs 0 Ints, 179 yards, lost by 3 points.
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It's pretty simple math for the four games I was discussing... 5 tds passing IN THOSE 4 games is 1.25 or approximately 1 per game.

Also, 2 tds rushing IN THOSE 4 games is 1 every other game. 7 total tds in those 4 games is 1.75 total tds per game..... NOT 3 per game as you incorrectly stated earlier.
 
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Montana, Cincinnati, Buffalo, NC State, Akron, Western Kentucky

All predicted to give us difficulty. All with one or two players that were dangerous, and would be hard to contain. Some picked by the experts to beat a UT team that was simply a quivering shell of its old-self.

We don't lose these games. Chuckie will be relegated back to obscurity on Monday. He is average on the QB landscape, merely good in the mid-major world. He will be shocked by our size and speed.
 
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KBVol said:
It's pretty simple math for the four games I was discussing... 5 tds passing IN THOSE 4 games is 1.25 or approximately 1 per game.

Also, 2 tds rushing IN THOSE 4 games is 1 every other game. 7 total tds in those 4 games is 1.75 total tds per game..... NOT 3 per game as you incorrectly stated earlier.
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Thanks for the math lesson. I mean, I struggle with math, which is why I became an engineer. Being so good at math, you must struggle with reading comprehension, because I never said he averaged 3 per game over those 4 games...
 
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goldvol said:
Thanks for the math lesson. I mean, I struggle with math, which is why I became an engineer. Being so good at math, you must struggle with reading comprehension, because I never said he averaged 3 per game over those 4 games...
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No, for some reason you decided to respond to my post and muddy the waters about the very easy to read and understand statistics regarding the ONLY FOUR GAMES I referenced/spoke about.

For some reason you decided to mention that he averaged 3 tds per game, this is your quote...

"Where is the 1 TD coming from? He averages about 3 td's a game"

Whatever gold. You seem to think he's gonna roll over us, and who knows, perhaps he will.

I was simply trying to assess his performance vs the 4 toughest teams, the 4 games that everybody cites as evidence that he's unstoppable and will leave our team in ruins.
The stats in those 4 games just don't support that theory.

There are no 300+ yd passing games, not even a 250 yd passing game.... no 100-150 yds rushing in a game, no 3-4-5 monster td games when it appears he put the team on his back. Hell, he barely completed 50% of his passes and his passing efficiency as measured by ESPN's QBR was below average. That's all I was saying before you decided to respond to my post to do whatever it was you wanted to do. The only mistake I made was the erroneous record for which I gave apologies.
 
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#164
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He's like a poor man's nick marshall. Good enough to make a few plays but it's fairly obvious marshall is the better player
 
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Ten years of crappy football and four straight losing seasons have taught me a severe lesson: just about anybody can beat us. Elusive QBs are always a problem: 3rd and 4, drop back, scramble for 7 and a first down. Now, if his receivers are inexperienced, that should help us, but it won't surprise me in the least if this is a tight game. Nobody gets intimidated anymore coming to Neyland, I'm sorry to say: that's been the case for more than a decade. Maybe it will start to change soon.
 
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#166
South Alabama QB should have taught us a lesson I hope Keaton doesn't have the same type of game
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#167
are we saying we win but the debate is now if it is by less or more than 3TDs.

Seems fair enough....
 
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goldvol said:
on Sunday. I am not a Negavol, but given the recent history of our defense, we struggle to contain quarterbacks. We are only one season removed from the worst defense in UT history!

Also, Keeton's numbers in big games are phenomenal.
2011 Auburn game: 21/30 213yards 0 INTs, along with 2 rushing TD's, lost by 4 points.
2012 Wisconsin: 2 TDs 0 Ints, 75 yards rushing, lost by 2 points
2013 USC 2 TDs 0 Ints, 179 yards, lost by 3 points.

You don't go from being a terrible defense to completely turning around in one year. Please somebody, give me some bit of EVIDENCE that we will be able to slow him down...

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1. Those stats are what you consider phenomenal? Don't think so. Also all those games were losses. Doesn't matter if it was by 2 or 20.

2. Coming back from a torn ACL. That's the evidence,
 
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goldvol said:
You posters that are saying you aren't scared of Keeton's numbers against Auburn, Wisconsin, and USC (some of the top defenses in the country)... are you the same guys that are predicting Tennessee to win by 20 points? Because those numbers show that that is probably not going to happen.
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Keeton.....

18-35, 144 yds, 1 td, 2 ints .... Lost by 31 pts.

His stats aren't far off from his traditional stats vs the best teams he's ever played. The only thing out of line is the final score in that they were blown out. Just Worley, BY FAR, was the better QB on Sunday.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
It was incredibly stupid to keep their QB in the entire game.
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Yep. Stubborn coach not thinking about what's best for his kids.
Promising they would be in it in the 4th quarter was dumb to. Not only would Butch NEVER say that, no doubt he let our team know their coach said that.
 
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