Thoughts on Sal Sunseri now?

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He coached the worst defense we ever put on the field, no exaggeration. I will never have a positive perception of him.
 
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I'm not a fan of Sal nor his switch to the 3-4 when we were not equipped for it...but he's working with a whole different level of talent at FSU. Obviously he's not the D coordinator there either...but if we'd had the talent when he was here it would've been a lot different. Again...I'm not a fan of his, but great talent can make an average coach look like a genius!
 
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1truevol said:
I'm not a fan of Sal nor his switch to the 3-4 when we were not equipped for it...but he's working with a whole different level of talent at FSU. Obviously he's not the D coordinator there either...but if we'd had the talent when he was here it would've been a lot different. Again...I'm not a fan of his, but great talent can make an average coach look like a genius!
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You mean we wouldn't have put the worst Vol defense in the history of the program on the field if he had talent here?
 
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My cousin Vinny was an unmitigated disaster as a defensive coordinator. Period.
 
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skasper06 said:
So what do you guys think? He leaves Tennessee and Dooley and heads to Tallahassee where he wins a NC his first year there. Was his struggle in Tennessee due to the 3-4 switch or something else?
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Is say Florida St won a title in spite of him!
 
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Horrible defensive coordinator! I hope that he forgets TN has an interstate system maybe he wont travel here.
 
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worst DC in the history of earth.

He won a title at Bama too, doesn't change my perception of him. Lance Thompson stepped in and they didn't miss a beat.Good for him for winning another ring and being a part of that. Probably a great position coach just not DC material.
 
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Its amazing how good players make you a great coach, good players good coach bad players bad coach, if you look at the roster last year not SEC type of players more like the mountain west or WAC.
 
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Buddy Hackett was awful as a DC... probably not a bad position coach,but not a DC...
I mean who else has 3 and 18 against SC and plays a 1 deep safety coverage...Buddy Hackett, thats who...
 
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fade route said:
I bet if Sal somehow worked "VFL" into an interview all will be forgiven since uttering those 3 letters to anyone in the media apparently scores HUGE points with VN.
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He still sucks... Unless he really did he say VFL? Did he?

Doesn't matter he's terrible... Unless he really said that.

Nah who cares. He sucks ... Wait, did he sound sincere when he said VFL?

He's not that bad, really. Unless he didn't say it. In that case he does suck. That traitor.
 
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DaddyChad said:
You mean we wouldn't have put the worst Vol defense in the history of the program on the field if he had talent here?
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Yes that's what I mean. When you lack speed,strength, and overall athleticism compared to your opponents... your probably going to be a very bad unit! So many fans don't want to realize how far off we've been in terms of true SEC talent. Half of our starters would be second string on the top SEC teams right now. Sorry...but that's where we are right now. I do think we're starting to "slowly" make a positive climb in overall team talent...but it's not going to be fixed with one recruiting class.
 
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Sunseri was clearly in over his head. I was definitely not sorry to see him leave. With such a thin roster and lacking talent, why would you attempt to install a scheme of defense that required lots of speed and athleticism. Add to that the lack of experience, one wonders what he and Dooley were thinking. Obviously nothing. Sal will be OK as a position coach.

Would have been interesting to see what Wilcox would have done. I think his scheme would have been carefully tailored and constructed to the talent on the team. "Fit the scheme to the available players and not the other way around." Sunseri would have never understood that concept.
 
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1truevol said:
I'm not a fan of Sal nor his switch to the 3-4 when we were not equipped for it...but he's working with a whole different level of talent at FSU. Obviously he's not the D coordinator there either...but if we'd had the talent when he was here it would've been a lot different. Again...I'm not a fan of his, but great talent can make an average coach look like a genius!
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Firtsly, I'm not defending Sunseri, I'm just making some observations.

Sal ( and Dooley) was a perfect example of the Peter Principle. Being advanced by management above your level of competence at the time. A good position coach, probably, but not DC.

Sal was not the one who decided to install the 3-4, that was Dooley's plan all along and Sal was brought in to do that.

Sal was't lazy, he worked hard (although ineffectually) at his job.

So why was he ineffectual? The 3-4 is hard to learn but it ain't rocket science. Others have already posted the answer. Skill and ability.

You really can't make chicken salad unless you got the real thing to start with. UT didn't/doesn't have the players.

It'll take a coupla years to fix that if recruiting holds up.
 
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skasper06 said:
My bad guys. Not sure why I thought he was the DC. Correction made! Quit yelling at me! :'(
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You should be yelled at quite a bit for even suggesting Sunseri could be a good DC. I mean, how could you not know? :eek:lol:
 
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1972 Grad said:
What is the excuse for this year's team?
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This year's D stunk. But it was head and shoulders above last year's D. Last year's D was HISTORICALLY bad. The worst scoring D save 1896 (or 1894?) which, let's face it, doesn't really count.

This year's D was about a TD and 26 places better in scoring (from 105th to 79th).


A long way to go, but progress none the less.
 
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BanditVol said:
This year's D stunk. But it was head and shoulders above last year's D. Last year's D was HISTORICALLY bad. The worst scoring D save 1896 (or 1894?) which, let's face it, doesn't really count.

This year's D was about a TD and 26 places better in scoring (from 105th to 79th).


A long way to go, but progress none the less.
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Do you know why this year's defense gave up fewer points than last year's without really being any better? It's very simple.
 
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AU RB had right at 200 yds rushing and Marshal almost had as many yds as Winston passing. In fact, AU had that drop in the begginning that would have given him more... yea thats sal. FSU had the ball last or we wouldnt even be talking about sal and a title
 
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1972 Grad said:
Do you know why this year's defense gave up fewer points than last year's without really being any better? It's very simple.
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The 2012 and 2013 defenses each gave up the exact same 6.1 yards per play. The only real difference between 2012 and 2013 was that this year's offense had the ball for 2 more minutes a game, resulting in the opposing team running 8.7 fewer plays per game on average. That is why we gave up 54 yards per game and 6.7 fewer points per game this year.

If the other team had 8.7 more offensive plays per game, they probably would have gained 53 more yards, and scored as many points in 2013 against Tennessee as they did in 2012. The problem was not Sal. The change of system hurt some both years, but we do not have the players to compete in the SEC yet.
 
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1972 Grad said:
The 2012 and 2013 defenses each gave up the exact same 6.1 yards per play. The only real difference between 2012 and 2013 was that this year's offense had the ball for 2 more minutes a game, resulting in the opposing team running 8.7 fewer plays per game on average. That is why we gave up 54 yards per game and 6.7 fewer points per game this year.

If the other team had 8.7 more offensive plays per game, they probably would have gained 53 more yards, and scored as many points in 2013 against Tennessee as they did in 2012. The problem was not Sal. The change of system hurt some both years, but we do not have the players to compete in the SEC yet.
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If sal had taken that D to Oregon they may have been last in everything instead of almost. One big difference. Plus no Curt this year at all...sal sucked as a DC.
 
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