Tim Tebow is far from the perfect passer.

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For my friend 2 Bits and his gator pals who have been arguing this for weeks.

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Tim Tebow is far from the perfect passer.

He takes every snap from the shotgun formation, has a long windup, throws sort of sidearm and finishes each pass with a leg kick.

His arm strength is average, his ability to read defenses is questionable and his NFL future is routinely debated.


Overhaul Tim Tebow? Gators say heck no!| ajc.com
 
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For my friend 2 Bits and his gator pals who have been arguing this for weeks.

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Tim Tebow is far from the perfect passer.

He takes every snap from the shotgun formation, has a long windup, throws sort of sidearm and finishes each pass with a leg kick.

His arm strength is average, his ability to read defenses is questionable and his NFL future is routinely debated.


Overhaul Tim Tebow? Gators say heck no!| ajc.com
Cool.

• Tebow's staggering 67-to-11 touchdown-to-interception ratio is far better than anyone else's on the list. Tebow's ratio works out to 6.10-to-1. His closest competition: USC's Leinart at 4.3-to-1.



Read more: Tim Tebow poised to pass Vince Young as all-time greatest player - Stewart Mandel - SI.com

I know stats don't count for anything on volnation unless they support a UT position, but just sayin...
 
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... I know stats don't count for anything on volnation unless they support a UT position, but just sayin...

Stats will serve him well in the NFL. Just ask Vince Young (who you imply is the standard bearer).
 
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Vince couldn't throw either in college. He made plays with his legs the same way Tebow has. I just don't see him making a NFL squad as a quarterback. Not saying there isn't a place for him somewhere, quarterback just won't be it.
 
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Sure, because players from gimmick offensive schemes in college have gone on to stellar NFL careers. Tebow is the perfect QB for Meyer's system, nothing more.

I would love to see Tebow line up under center, do a pre-snap defensive read, execute a five step drop, go through a progression, and hit an open receiver.
 
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Sure, because players from gimmick offensive schemes in college have gone on to stellar NFL careers. Tebow is the perfect QB for Meyer's system, nothing more.

I would love to see Tebow line up under center, do a pre-snap defensive read, execute a five step drop, go through a progression, and hit an open receiver.
That's why he will never be a NFL QB. Meyer and Timmy are playing for the now. Although i'd love for them to start monkeying around with their offense to help Timmy prepare for the next level. That would just help whoever they're playing.
 
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catfish, You can go to Scouts for the full text.

By Todd McShay
Scouts Inc.


Tebow is arguably the greatest quarterback to ever play the college game. However, when stacking him up as a pure passer, Tebow does not make our top 10 list in 2009. Here are the three areas in which he needs the most improvement as a pocket passer:

1. Progression reads: ………
2. Release quickness: ……
3. Changing velocities: ………


Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow and Colt McCoy all great, but here's how they can be better - ESPN
 
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For my friend 2 Bits and his gator pals who have been arguing this for weeks.

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Tim Tebow is far from the perfect passer.

He takes every snap from the shotgun formation, has a long windup, throws sort of sidearm and finishes each pass with a leg kick.

His arm strength is average, his ability to read defenses is questionable and his NFL future is routinely debated.


Overhaul Tim Tebow? Gators say heck no!| ajc.com
Dad, there are some that say he can and most that say he can't. We will find out won't we? It will be fun to see how it all plays out.
 
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Dad, there are some that say he can and most that say he can't. We will find out won't we? It will be fun to see how it all plays out.

He will be drafted. NFL coaches recognizing that he is not an NFL level passer will convert him to a TE or FB. He will say that even though he feels he can play QB that coaches think he can contribute more from the X position. He will say that he is moving for the betterment of the team. Florida fans will swoon over his unselfish act and claim that he could be an NFL QB but he is more of a team player. Corrin Brown will read a declaration from the floor of Congress acknowledging his unselfish act.
 
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He will be drafted. NFL coaches recognizing that he is not an NFL level passer will convert him to a TE or FB. He will say that even though he feels he can play QB that coaches think he can contribute more from the X position. He will say that he is moving for the betterment of the team. Florida fans will swoon over his unselfish act and claim that he could be an NFL QB but he is more of a team player. Corrin Brown will read a declaration from the floor of Congress acknowledging his unselfish act.
Lets hope not.
 
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Stats will serve him well in the NFL. Just ask Vince Young (who you imply is the standard bearer).

I was really only referring to td/int ratio (thats why i copy/pasted the specific blurb). i just provided the link to the article to show it wasn't a bs stat. obviously, a running qb will be towards the top of that list. i also don't remember ever mentioning anything about vince young and never pointed to the entire article, or list, for proof that since tebow has been great in college it will carry over to the nfl. but true to form, you stuck words in my mouth.

all i'm saying is that, according to you, he is a horrible passer who has no chance of ever amounting to anything, yet he has a better td/int ratio, qb rating, etc., than some very successful nfl qbs, including mcnabb and peyton.
I know, i know- it's because of a system, other players, urban meyer, the economy, etc. anything but the fact that he can move the ball effectively through the air.
i guess i'm old fashioned but i think numbers, in their purest, unmanipulated form, paint a pretty good picture. better, anyway, than that of a handful of opinions saying tebow will be a failure because his throwing motion is unorthodox (btw, there are a handful of ex-nfl qb's, along with current scouts and coaches, who feel strongly otherwise. sorry, don't feel like grabbing a link, so that has to be false, too, i guess).
and before you go sticking words in my mouth again, i am in no way implying that tebow will be better than peyton. all i'm saying is that he's been a pretty damn good passer so far (in the SEC, mind you) and there is no reason to believe he has no chance of being moderately successful in the nfl (oh wait- except, ofcourse, that his ball doesn't look pretty enough as it's flying through the air).
 
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I was really only referring to td/int ratio (thats why i copy/pasted the specific blurb). i just provided the link to the article to show it wasn't a bs stat...... .

Here are a couple of options for you cat.

If Tampa Bay remains as putrid as they look now, they could get the opportunity to draft Tebow. They draft him knowing that starting him at QB would drive Tebowites into a ticket buying feeding frenzy.

or

Jerry Jones brings Meyer to Dallas. Dallas trades up for Tebow. Meyer wants to see if he can duplicate his success at in the NFL/Dallas.
 
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For my friend 2 Bits and his gator pals who have been arguing this for weeks.

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Tim Tebow is far from the perfect passer.

He takes every snap from the shotgun formation, has a long windup, throws sort of sidearm and finishes each pass with a leg kick.

His arm strength is average, his ability to read defenses is questionable and his NFL future is routinely debated.


Overhaul Tim Tebow? Gators say heck no!| ajc.com

If you measure a great passer by form alone, then perhaps not. Matt Stafford has incredible throwing motion and strong arm and yet threw far more interceptions and wasn't as accurate nor as successful as Tebow.

I think it's already been proven Tim Tebow is a great passer with an imperfect form. His passer rating, accuracy and everything he has done in college thus far bears this out. Consider him the Jim Furyk of college QB's.

It remains to be seen whether or not he will make it as a QB in the NFL. Gator fans do not need Tebow to be a big NFL star for validation (see UT fans & Manning). He has been the one of the best College quaterbacks ever and that is irrefutable.
 
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He will be drafted. NFL coaches recognizing that he is not an NFL level passer will convert him to a TE or FB. He will say that even though he feels he can play QB that coaches think he can contribute more from the X position. He will say that he is moving for the betterment of the team. Florida fans will swoon over his unselfish act and claim that he could be an NFL QB but he is more of a team player. Corrin Brown will read a declaration from the floor of Congress acknowledging his unselfish act.
Dad the omniscient, of course. Lets hope Corrin Brown never speaks again. What is your prediction for the TN season?
 
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Dad the omniscient, of course. Lets hope Corrin Brown never speaks again. What is your prediction for the TN season?

I am the eternal UT optimist. If we can get our QB play stabilized, I don’t see why we cannot win games against:
W KY
UCLA
Ohio
Auburn
USC jr.
Memphis
Ole Miss
Vandy
KY
A win against (UF, Bamma, or GA) would be a pleasant surprise.

So my prediction is, we will drop 1 on my list (possibly Ole Miss) but we will beat GA for a 9-3 record and a trip to a bowl.
 
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It remains to be seen whether or not he will make it as a QB in the NFL. Gator fans do not need Tebow to be a big NFL star for validation (see UT fans & Manning). He has been the one of the best College quaterbacks ever and that is irrefutable.

Yeah, all Manning had to hang his hat on was winning more games than any QB ever.
 
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I am the eternal UT optimist. If we can get our QB play stabilized, I don’t see why we cannot win games against:
W KY
UCLA
Ohio
Auburn
USC jr.
Memphis
Ole Miss
Vandy
KY
A win against (UF, Bamma, or GA) would be a pleasant surprise.

So my prediction is, we will drop 1 on my list (possibly Ole Miss) but we will beat GA for a 9-3 record and a trip to a bowl.

You won't beat Ole Miss.
 
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If you measure a great passer by form alone, then perhaps not. Matt Stafford has incredible throwing motion and strong arm and yet threw far more interceptions and wasn't as accurate nor as successful as Tebow.

I think it's already been proven Tim Tebow is a great passer with an imperfect form. His passer rating, accuracy and everything he has done in college thus far bears this out. Consider him the Jim Furyk of college QB's.

It remains to be seen whether or not he will make it as a QB in the NFL. Gator fans do not need Tebow to be a big NFL star for validation (see UT fans & Manning). He has been the one of the best College quaterbacks ever and that is irrefutable.

God, you're an arrogant ass.

It really is too bad you don't have more going on in your life.
 
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SEC Championship 1997. Remember the great team success UF enjoyed when Tim Tebow tried to carry the Gators?

Exactly. Tebow's overblown status as best college QB has been helped immeasurably by Leak and an imroved 08 D. Otherwise, he pumps out more 9-4 seasons.

People regularly forget that he played FB his first season and lost in his first at the helm.
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Exactly. Tebow's overblown status as best college QB has been helped immeasurably by Leak and an imroved 08 D. Otherwise, he pumps out more 9-4 seasons.

People regularly forget that he played FB his first season and lost in his first at the helm.
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Right, and let's not forget what having an athletic freak like Harvin on the team did as well.


I'll give Tebow his props, he works very well in Meyer's system. I like his work ethic and attitude. But all this media praise about him being the best ever and being able to "will" his team to victory is nonsense. He is good because of the system and the team he plays on. If he were to run the same spread offense at WVU or Oregon he would be a decent to good QB that might be a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, and not necessarily at QB.
 

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