Time to End Guarantee Game??

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One solution they won't look at is only counting games against the east as conference games. Then we can schedule Bama as an ooc opposed every year
 
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VolFootballlover said:
Why on earth does a florida fan spend more time on a UT web site than his own? The little wise cracks ...."for Tennessee to beat florida" make me sick. I can't wait till we get out of these dumb Dooley Years and start playing UT football! Because when we was rolling You gator lovers couldn't be found!
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it wasn't a wise crack. If Tennessee was beating Florida more often, it would be hard for miles or lsu to claim they have the raw end of the deal. But as long as Florida keeps doing what they have been to Tennessee, it is difficult not to buy some of lsu's argument. Don't confuse a point that is based in substance, but isn't pleasant, as a wise crack.
 
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While I don't agree with doing away with the game, I can't argue with this point:

"Tennessee is the real problem here. The Vols haven’t lived up to their history as one of the upper-echelon programs in the league in years.

They haven’t been ranked going into the Alabama game since 2007, Nick Saban’s first season in Tuscaloosa. They’ve put a top-10 ranking on the line against the Tide just once since 1999.

That was in 2006, when No. 7 Tennessee beat unranked Alabama and helped start the machinery that pushed Mike Shula out and ushered Saban in. The Vols haven’t beaten the Tide since."
 
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99gator said:
you don't kill a rivalry because it's one sided at a given point in time.

by decade since the 70's.

70's bama 9-1
80's bama 6-4
90's tenn 5-4-1
00's tied 5-5
10's bama 3-0

so, except for the 70's and right now, it's been pretty competitive
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Nice. Here's more....

60's bama 5-4-1
50's tenn 7-1-2
40's bama 4-3-2 (no game in '43)
30's bama 5-4-1
20's tenn 2-0
10's bama 2-1
00's bama 6-1-1
 
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onevol74 said:
The "Third Saturday in October" is a rivalry in name only. Not one time since 1967 or 1968 has the UT-Bama game meant anything to a conference championship. Since that time one team or the other has been dominant and the other team in a depression. .
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I was at the 1985 Alabama game. It seemed kind of important at the time.

I agree with the most of what you said, but belittling the Bama game is treasonous.
 
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No team has beat bama more than us ... the rivalry should stay - and i'm pretty sure it will. Outside of Les Miles and this guy, no one is really complaining about it
 
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volfootballlover said:
why on earth does a florida fan spend more time on a ut web site than his own? The little wise cracks ...."for tennessee to beat florida" make me sick. I can't wait till we get out of these dumb dooley years and start playing ut football! Because when we was rolling you gator lovers couldn't be found!
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boom!
 
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nash101 said:
One solution they won't look at is only counting games against the east as conference games. Then we can schedule Bama as an ooc opposed every year
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...how's that any better? Then it essentially just turns into two different conferences that just have the same name.
 
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99gator said:
it wasn't a wise crack. If Tennessee was beating Florida more often, it would be hard for miles or lsu to claim they have the raw end of the deal. But as long as Florida keeps doing what they have been to Tennessee, it is difficult not to buy some of lsu's argument. Don't confuse a point that is based in substance, but isn't pleasant, as a wise crack.
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Les will keep complaining as long as they struggle with UF year to year; I feel it's less about the overall record and more the game
 
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Oh this argument again. I've always said do away with the annual bama game. We still get them for a home and away ever so often do what's the big deal. I believe we play the toughest schedule in the country anyway.
 
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Majorvol23 said:
No team has beat bama more than us ... the rivalry should stay - and i'm pretty sure it will. Outside of Les Miles and this guy, no one is really complaining about it
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Well Spurrier and USCe, but that's it. It has far far from a majority among the schools.

UT, Bama, UGA, Aub, and probably Vandy, Ole Miss support the cross divisional games still...possibly with UK and MSU still supporting them as well
 
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onevol74 said:
The article is spot on. Bama has dominated UT with the exceptions of a couple of streaks since 1970. As an older Vol fan I detest Bama and if the SEC ever decided to clean up its act and hold programs accountable then Bama would never win another championship.

The "Third Saturday in October" is a rivalry in name only. Not one time since 1967 or 1968 has the UT-Bama game meant anything to a conference championship. Since that time one team or the other has been dominant and the other team in a depression. Also, you would think that if the game was a headliner then you would have seen at least one rematch in the SEC Championship Game since it began in 1992. Afterall, we have played in different divisions for 21 years now.

The UT-Florida game has a much greater bearing on whether UT can get to Atlanta. And before that it was the UT-Auburn game which had a larger impact on our season than the Bama game.

I am not for eliminating the UT-Bama game to retain an 8 game SEC schedule because the AD's will just book another patsy as an OOC game. The SEC needs a 9 game schedule to bring some of the fans back to the stadiums. Empty seats were evident in every SEC stadium last year and it going to get worse if Mike Slive and the AD's do not wake up. Scheduling patsies is even a bigger problem for UT. Ten years ago the AD thought that it did not matter who you scheduled at Neyland Stadium 108,000 would show up. That became a false perception.

Majors and Doug Dickey built this program back up by scheduling schools like Notre Dame, UCLA, Miami, USC, and Pitt, when they were good. That line of scheduling brought recruits that wanted to compete against those teams. I know that we have Oregon on the schedule now but knowing our recent history of buying out some series I have to question if we will ever play Nebraska, Oklahoma, or Ohio State. Even Oregon hinted that we were trying to buy out that return trip this year.

If we are going to play a subpar OOC schedule then we need to go to 9 SEC games and keep the money in the conference.
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I like that first couple of lines accountable and bama.:good!:
 
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TrueOrange said:
Well Spurrier and USCe, but that's it. It has far far from a majority among the schools.

UT, Bama, UGA, Aub, and probably Vandy, Ole Miss support the cross divisional games still...possibly with UK and MSU still supporting them as well
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i think florida may become more inclined to support cross divisional opponents (as opposed to not caring) at this point.

a home schedule with vandy, missouri, kentucky, and ooc cupcakes doesn't help ticket sales.

you swap lsu for mississippi in a given year and that just becomes more of a problem.
 
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Why was this moved? An article/thread about UT football, playing it's biggest rivalry, doesn't go in the football forum?
 
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VolFootballlover said:
Why on earth does a florida fan spend more time on a UT web site than his own? The little wise cracks ...."for Tennessee to beat florida" make me sick. I can't wait till we get out of these dumb Dooley Years and start playing UT football! Because when we was rolling You gator lovers couldn't be found!
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This forum didn't exist the last time that Tennessee was "rolling."

That being said, there's no reason to end such a vaunted rivalry just because Alabama is on a hot streak. The Third Saturday in October still means something to both programs, though it may not mean much to the national title race anymore.
 
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notabed22 said:
This forum didn't exist the last time that Tennessee was "rolling."

That being said, there's no reason to end such a vaunted rivalry just because Alabama is on a hot streak. The Third Saturday in October still means something to both programs, though it may not mean much to the national title race anymore.
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Pretty sure Alabama thought it mattered a few years ago when they had to block a FG at the end to preserve their national title run.
 
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As a rivalry, Michigan-Notre Dame has less than half the history of Tennessee-Alabama. Yes, they have played more or less annually for the last thirty years, but, as you can see (Michigan vs Notre Dame 1869-2012), there have also been periods of more than 30 years (1910-1941 and 1944-1977) when they did not play each other at all. It may be difficult to believe now, but, from 1910-1977, these traditional powers only played each other twice.
 
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508mikey said:
ND is ending the Michigan series - so ya never know
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We've had to do the same thing with Ole Miss, Auburn and Ga Tech as conference games got added and divisional play started. It's inevitable.
 
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GAVol said:
Pretty sure Alabama thought it mattered a few years ago when they had to block a FG at the end to preserve their national title run.
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And, yet, Alabama won and Tennessee went on to lose the Chick-Fil-A bowl. If you want to be technical about it, every single game is of absolute importance to the national title race.
 
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