TN 2020 post season (NIT appreciation thread)

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
68 in the NCAAT

32 in the NIT

16 spots in the CBI. I'm in favor of participating since 60% of the rotation is freshmen.

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I think that I would attend several games in the CBI if it came down to that. I guess there's potentially 5 more home games. Best 2 of 3 finals is an interesting concept. This group of kids is worth supporting to the bitter end. I'd rather it be the NIT or best case to shock the world versus Bama, KY, MSU/FL, and AuBruce (or LSU).

116 of at least 350 schools are eligible for these 3 tournaments (less than 33%). Football bowl games include about 80 spots for far fewer teams, fewer than 150 IIRC (greater than 50%).
 
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pimo1 said:
If bad turnout affects your performance against inferior opponents then there's a problem. If anything it should make u want to blow them out to make those that didn't show up feel like they missed out. That being said playing in front of 5000 is a lot better than not playing at all. Trust me most of these kids would rather be playing that game than sitting on their couches. competing is competing.

we are UT, not Duke.... poo-pooing the NIT as something beneath us is asinine. just for reference since 2000 we have been to the NCAA's 11 times out of 20 opportunities. Before then we only had 11 appearances between 1967 and 1999. Success as a program s fairly new to UT men's BB. We have only 22 total appearances. That's almost as many as our NIT appearances (13) the best we have ever done in the NIT is third place. I think playing and possibly winning the NIT would be a good experience fo these guys. It's not the NCAA's but its playoff basketball. if it was beneath us we would have gotten booted i in the first round 4 of our last 5 appearances (the other time we got booted second round).
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We aren’t new to success. We are one of the top 30-35 programs of alltime. We didn’t have many NCAA appearances pre-Mears because only one team per conference went And Uk usually cheated their way in even back then
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
We aren’t new to success. We are one of the top 30-35 programs of all time. We didn’t have many NCAA appearances pre-Mears because only one team per conference went And Uk usually cheated their way in even back then
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saying we are a top 30-35 program and then saying we aren't new to success is hilarious. Being top 30-35 all-time if like saying you I got a date to the prom but yeah not reserving a hotel room because shes probably not leaving with me anyway. That is not impressive at all. I never said we were terrible but we have not EVER had a successful mens basketball program for any appreciable period of time. We've never come close to winning the big dance and actually going to the dance is always in question year in year out. It's not a knock on anything just a statement of fact. Men's BB has never been a focus of this program. Winning and competing is always a focus but winning it all has never been a measure of success here. Most fo the success this program has had is very recent.
 
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pimo1 said:
saying we are a top 30-35 program and then saying we aren't new to success is hilarious. Being top 30-35 all-time if like saying you I got a date to the prom but yeah not reserving a hotel room because shes probably not leaving with me anyway. That is not impressive at all. I never said we were terrible but we have not EVER had a successful mens basketball program for any appreciable period of time. We've never come close to winning the big dance and actually going to the dance is always in question year in year out. It's not a knock on anything just a statement of fact. Men's BB has never been a focus of this program. Winning and competing is always a focus but winning it all has never been a measure of success here. Most fo the success this program has had is very recent.
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Stop. 30-35 best all time out of 340 programs is pretty decent. No we aren’t a blue blood. But we aren’t Idaho or Southern either. We were hampered for so long being in UKs cheating shadow from the 30s thru 80s and especially back when only one team per conference went.
 
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pimo1 said:
saying we are a top 30-35 program and then saying we aren't new to success is hilarious. Being top 30-35 all-time if like saying you I got a date to the prom but yeah not reserving a hotel room because shes probably not leaving with me anyway. That is not impressive at all. I never said we were terrible but we have not EVER had a successful mens basketball program for any appreciable period of time. We've never come close to winning the big dance and actually going to the dance is always in question year in year out. It's not a knock on anything just a statement of fact. Men's BB has never been a focus of this program. Winning and competing is always a focus but winning it all has never been a measure of success here. Most fo the success this program has had is very recent.
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TN was one of the best teams in the 1940s. The success of Mears and early Devoe lasted over 2 decades. Yes. We have EVER had a successful mens basketball program for an appreciable period of time. History didn't begin when the NCAAT expanded to more than 24 teams and started seeding the participants.
 
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NCAA Tournament Elite Eight 2010
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen 1967, 1981, 2000, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2014, 2019
NCAA Tournament Round of 32 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1999, 2000, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2014, 2018, 2019
NCAA Tournament Appearances 1967, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1989, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2018, 2019
NIT Final Four 1969, 1985
NIT Quarterfinals 1945, 1969, 1971, 1984, 1985
NIT Second Round 1969, 1971, 1984, 1985, 1990, 1992, 2012
NIT Tournament Appearances 1945, 1969, 1971, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1996, 2003, 2004, 2012, 2013
Conference Tournament Champions 1936, 1941, 1943, 1979
Conference Regular Season Champions 1936, 1941, 1943, 1967, 1972, 1977, 1982, 2000, 2008, 2018

Call it what you wish but the numbers say most of our success has been recent. We have had 8 sweet sixteen appearances. 6 of those happened in the 2000's as well as our only elite 8. Half of our 22 tourney appearances happened in the 2000's. In the last 20 years we have made the tourney 11 times in the 40 years before that we made it 11. I would count that as recent success. Most of our actual appearances (14) came after the expansion to 64 teams in 85 and none happened before the expansion to 24. So yeah as far as we can trace it accurately history did start then. But if you want to count wins before they dribbled the ball and still used a peach basket and a stick go ahead.
 
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pimo1 said:
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight 2010
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen 1967, 1981, 2000, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2014, 2019
NCAA Tournament Round of 32 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1999, 2000, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2014, 2018, 2019
NCAA Tournament Appearances 1967, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1989, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2018, 2019
NIT Final Four 1969, 1985
NIT Quarterfinals 1945, 1969, 1971, 1984, 1985
NIT Second Round 1969, 1971, 1984, 1985, 1990, 1992, 2012
NIT Tournament Appearances 1945, 1969, 1971, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1996, 2003, 2004, 2012, 2013
Conference Tournament Champions 1936, 1941, 1943, 1979
Conference Regular Season Champions 1936, 1941, 1943, 1967, 1972, 1977, 1982, 2000, 2008, 2018
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See below for all time records, look at the 20s thru 60s and see how many NCAA visits we would've had if the "one team per conference" rule didnt exist

Tennessee Volunteers Index | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
See below for all time records, look at the 20s thru 60s and see how many NCAA visits we would've had if the "one team per conference" rule didnt exist

Tennessee Volunteers Index | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
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If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk. Basketball in the 20's through 60's was an entirely different sport than we know today. Most of the players on our team wouldn't have been allowed in the arena unless they wee cleaning toilets back then. Games were played against high schools and junior colleges.
 
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pimo1 said:
If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk. Basketball in the 20's through 60's was an entirely different sport than we know today. Most of the players on our team wouldn't have been allowed in the arena unless they wee cleaning toilets back then. Games were played against high schools and junior colleges.
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Mears had a team ranked 8th in the country that didnt make the NCAAs, they werent playing high school teams
 
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pimo1 said:
If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk. Basketball in the 20's through 60's was an entirely different sport than we know today. Most of the players on our team wouldn't have been allowed in the arena unless they wee cleaning toilets back then. Games were played against high schools and junior colleges.
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They weren't doing that in the 1920s and beyond
 
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Tennesseefan2019 said:
They weren't doing that in the 1920s and beyond
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it was hyperbole but it was a completely different game back then. We can theorycraft and talk about what should have been or could have been but we can only deal with reality. In whatever period there are rules in place to make the tourney we didn't fit whatever qualifications were relevant then so we didn't make it. But here today we judge success on making the dance right? Yeah, I exaggerated about the high school teams but at the same time those teams back then would have had problems beating modern Middle school teams. It was not in any way the same game 99% of the people on this board were not alive during those days. Heck I'm 45 and my mom wasn't alive during those days.

 
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pimo1 said:
it was hyperbole but it was a completely different game back then. We can theorycraft and talk about what should have been or could have been but we can only deal with reality. In whatever period there are rules in place to make the tourney we didn't fit whatever qualifications were relevant then so we didn't make it. But here today we judge success on making the dance right? Yeah, I exaggerated about the high school teams but at the same time those teams back then would have had problems beating modern Middle school teams. It was not in any way the same game 99% of the people on this board were not alive during those days. Heck I'm 45 and my mom wasn't alive during those days.

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No matter how good we are in regular season, we always choke in SECT. That is an unpleasant fact.
 
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Tennesseefan2019 said:
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wow those jump shots lol. I had no idea sidearming was a thing. Thanks for making my point. They had more passes than dribbles per possession. almost ver single one of the shots they took would have been blocked. Every time a guy dribbled the ball down the court he was looking at the ball. It looked like elementary school kids playing. We will give them credit though the dribble has only existed about 40 years at this point. The balls had laces until 1937. And fully round balls were not introduced until 1948. This explains why the act of drilling as we know it seemed so alien to the guys in your video. You had to watch the ball when you dribble it because there's no telling where its gonna go. Try dribbling a volleyball or a kickball and you'll get what it was likely like for these guys. The game was totally different.
 
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