'26 TN ATH Joel Wyatt

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BJWeeks said:
King, Evans, Keys, and Wyatt will be an impressive WR class
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He’s apparently being recruited as an edge rusher. Which is crazy to me considering we’ll already have Herring, Ross, and Loftin on the roster and likely another edge rusher in the 26 class. He can make an immediate impact at WR though and I imagine the coaches will recognize that during bowl workouts and spring ball. Having him Keys, Matthews, Staley, Jefferson, and Jackson could be a lethal group of weapons for Nico in his 4th year or make Jake Merklinger or Faizon Brandon’s job a lot easier
 
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VawlIn said:
He’s apparently being recruited as an edge rusher. Which is crazy to me considering we’ll already have Herring, Ross, and Loftin on the roster and likely another edge rusher in the 26 class. He can make an immediate impact at WR though and I imagine the coaches will recognize that during bowl workouts and spring ball. Having him Keys, Matthews, Staley, Jefferson, and Jackson could be a lethal group of weapons for Nico in his 4th year or make Jake Merklinger or Faizon Brandon’s job a lot easier
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Maybe his ceiling as an edge is higher than his ceiling as a WR? Coaches job is to get the best players at every position. If they think they can recruit other guys to play WR at the level he's capable of but can't find edges to play at his level then it makes sense to develop him as an edge than a receiver. You're assuming his ceiling at WR is the same as his ceiling as an edge rusher.

Just looking at him he physically resembles Joshua Josephs minus 40 lbs. I can see why they think he can be an elite edge. He's got the frame for it. And I'll say this. An elite edge is more valuable than an elite WR. Elite edges can wreck entire gameplans. An elite WR needs a QB and o-line to make an impact.
 
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VawlIn said:
He’s apparently being recruited as an edge rusher. Which is crazy to me considering we’ll already have Herring, Ross, and Loftin on the roster and likely another edge rusher in the 26 class. He can make an immediate impact at WR though and I imagine the coaches will recognize that during bowl workouts and spring ball. Having him Keys, Matthews, Staley, Jefferson, and Jackson could be a lethal group of weapons for Nico in his 4th year or make Jake Merklinger or Faizon Brandon’s job a lot easier
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Loftin is likely to grow into a SDE. Herring will be a senior in 2026 and Ross may be good enough to leave after 2026.
 
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BJWeeks said:
King, Evans, Keys, and Wyatt will be an impressive WR class
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Not sure you include Wyatt in the "WR class" because there is a very small chance that he ends up playing that position in college. He is the typical ATH category and odds are he ends up somewhere on defense.
 
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therickbol said:
Not sure you include Wyatt in the "WR class" because there is a very small chance that he ends up playing that position in college. He is the typical ATH category and odds are he ends up somewhere on defense.
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Edge has been said on here more than anything for sure!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Maybe his ceiling as an edge is higher than his ceiling as a WR? Coaches job is to get the best players at every position. If they think they can recruit other guys to play WR at the level he's capable of but can't find edges to play at his level then it makes sense to develop him as an edge than a receiver. You're assuming his ceiling at WR is the same as his ceiling as an edge rusher.

Just looking at him he physically resembles Joshua Josephs minus 40 lbs. I can see why they think he can be an elite edge. He's got the frame for it. And I'll say this. An elite edge is more valuable than an elite WR. Elite edges can wreck entire gameplans. An elite WR needs a QB and o-line to make an impact.
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The problem with your analysis is we’ve recruited better at the edge position under this staff than any other position by a wide margin but have yet to bring in a stud receiver. Also it’s hard for a player to “physically resemble player X minus 40 pounds”. That’s like saying Zakai Ziegler would be like John Wall if he was 6 inches taller. If his listed weight is even remotely close to being accurate he won’t see the field as an SEC DE until his 2nd or even 3rd year on campus. Because he’ll need to gain about 40-50 pounds to be at playing weight. Whereas he’s physically ready to make an impact at WR in the SEC right now and could be the best receiver on the roster by his first game. In an age where guys can leave whenever they want it just doesn’t make sense from a roster management standpoint to bring in a 6’4 190-200 pound athlete that runs a 4.4 and jumps out of the gym only to redshirt him when our passing game has been abysmal as it’s been for the last 2 years. Also elite edge guys can certainly wreck an entire offense, but they’re typically not guys that come out of HS weighing 200 pounds. Will Anderson is probably the smallest edge rusher in the NFL right now and he came out of HS at 6’3 230 pounds. Moving this guy to edge would’ve been like Ohio State moving Jeremiah Smith to defense. Because if Wyatt played at a football factory that was developing him as a receiver and wasn’t playing at a new program he would likely be a consensus top 3 WR prospect in this class and would be looked at in a similar category as Smith was out of HS. He’s that physically gifted as a player
 
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VawlIn said:
The problem with your analysis is we’ve recruited better at the edge position under this staff than any other position by a wide margin but have yet to bring in a stud receiver. Also it’s hard for a player to “physically resemble player X minus 40 pounds”. That’s like saying Zakai Ziegler would be like John Wall if he was 6 inches taller. If his listed weight is even remotely close to being accurate he won’t see the field as an SEC DE until his 2nd or even 3rd year on campus. Because he’ll need to gain about 40-50 pounds to be at playing weight. Whereas he’s physically ready to make an impact at WR in the SEC right now and could be the best receiver on the roster by his first game. In an age where guys can leave whenever they want it just doesn’t make sense from a roster management standpoint to bring in a 6’4 190-200 pound athlete that runs a 4.4 and jumps out of the gym only to redshirt him when our passing game has been abysmal as it’s been for the last 2 years. Also elite edge guys can certainly wreck an entire offense, but they’re typically not guys that come out of HS weighing 200 pounds. Will Anderson is probably the smallest edge rusher in the NFL right now and he came out of HS at 6’3 230 pounds. Moving this guy to edge would’ve been like Ohio State moving Jeremiah Smith to defense. Because if Wyatt played at a football factory that was developing him as a receiver and wasn’t playing at a new program he would likely be a consensus top 3 WR prospect in this class and would be looked at in a similar category as Smith was out of HS. He’s that physically gifted as a player
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Have yet to bring in a stud WR. I guess you just know for a fact that Matthews isn’t a stud 🙄
 
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VawlIn said:
The problem with your analysis is we’ve recruited better at the edge position under this staff than any other position by a wide margin but have yet to bring in a stud receiver. Also it’s hard for a player to “physically resemble player X minus 40 pounds”. That’s like saying Zakai Ziegler would be like John Wall if he was 6 inches taller. If his listed weight is even remotely close to being accurate he won’t see the field as an SEC DE until his 2nd or even 3rd year on campus. Because he’ll need to gain about 40-50 pounds to be at playing weight. Whereas he’s physically ready to make an impact at WR in the SEC right now and could be the best receiver on the roster by his first game. In an age where guys can leave whenever they want it just doesn’t make sense from a roster management standpoint to bring in a 6’4 190-200 pound athlete that runs a 4.4 and jumps out of the gym only to redshirt him when our passing game has been abysmal as it’s been for the last 2 years. Also elite edge guys can certainly wreck an entire offense, but they’re typically not guys that come out of HS weighing 200 pounds. Will Anderson is probably the smallest edge rusher in the NFL right now and he came out of HS at 6’3 230 pounds. Moving this guy to edge would’ve been like Ohio State moving Jeremiah Smith to defense. Because if Wyatt played at a football factory that was developing him as a receiver and wasn’t playing at a new program he would likely be a consensus top 3 WR prospect in this class and would be looked at in a similar category as Smith was out of HS. He’s that physically gifted as a player
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You do know current backup edge Caleb Herring showed up on campus at 205 lbs and is now close to 250 lbs? Weight isn't the same as height. You can't grow taller but lots of football players have proven you can gain lots of mass in college. Compare how JJ Watt looked in high school to what he eventually became.

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Sometimes you have to trust the player evaluations of the guys who are paid to make these decisions. I'm sure the coaches realize WR is a position of importance as well. But if they think this kid can be an elite edge I'll take their word for it rather than imposing my opinion. I just don't think saying he's only 200 lbs is a good reason to say he should play WR rather than edge at the next level. That's a pretty limited way of thinking about football players and their potential development. Joel Wyatt could be 245 lbs by the start of his second year in college and the best edge in the country for all we know.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Have yet to bring in a stud WR. I guess you just know for a fact that Matthews isn’t a stud 🙄
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As of right now he’s not. That’s not to say he won’t or couldn’t be, but in todays era of football guys that end up being first or second round picks (which you normally need at least 1 of on your roster to legitimately compete for a championship) typically make some sort of an impact as true freshmen and he wasn’t able to do that
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You do know current backup edge Caleb Herring showed up on campus at 205 lbs and is now close to 250 lbs? Weight isn't the same as height. You can't grow taller but lots of football players have proven you can gain lots of mass in college. Compare how JJ Watt looked in high school to what he eventually became.

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Sometimes you have to trust the player evaluations of the guys who are paid to make these decisions. I'm sure the coaches realize WR is a position of importance as well. But if they think this kid can be an elite edge I'll take their word for it rather than imposing my opinion. I just don't think saying he's only 200 lbs is a good reason to say he should play WR rather than edge at the next level. That's a pretty limited way of thinking about football players and their potential development. Joel Wyatt could be 245 lbs by the start of his second year in college and the best edge in the country for all we know.
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That’s a 10-15 pound difference in the two and Herring has yet to show he’s an NFL caliber edge rusher. Also JJ Watt left high school well over 250 pounds. I’m just saying Wyatt’s NFL ceiling is significantly higher at WR than Edge, and our goal is to field a team of future NFL players. Not just guys that are capable of playing a position. I mean does he even beat Dunham out for a starting spot or reps as a rotation guy in year 2 if we can land him too? That Leo spot is just so deep I don’t ever see him making the impact there that he could as a receiver with a good QB
 
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VawlIn said:
That’s a 10-15 pound difference in the two and Herring has yet to show he’s an NFL caliber edge rusher. Also JJ Watt left high school well over 250 pounds. I’m just saying Wyatt’s NFL ceiling is significantly higher at WR than Edge, and our goal is to field a team of future NFL players. Not just guys that are capable of playing a position. I mean does he even beat Dunham out for a starting spot or reps as a rotation guy in year 2 if we can land him too? That Leo spot is just so deep I don’t ever see him making the impact there that he could as a receiver with a good QB
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How do you know Wyatt's ceiling is higher at WR than edge? Are you a coach?

Also J.J. Watt was 220 lbs as a high school senior. He wasn't 250 lbs. Watch: J.J. Watt's come-up story from two-star to superstar

He was nearly 290 lbs on draft day. That means he gained 50 lbs in college. So stop acting like it's impossible for young guys to gain that much mass after enrolling in a collegiate strength and conditioning program.
 
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