'24 TN DB Boo Carter (Tennessee)

[85SugarVol]

This is blasphemy amongst this forum if a certain group of posters catch wind of your treasonous 180.

I've long believed his size and skillset is more well-suited for the offensive side of the ball, which isn't to say he can't or shouldn't play on defense if that is where we need him to play.

But it's easy to see he is electric with the ball in his hands, and "electric" at WR is something we've sorely missed, this year.

He’s listed as 5’11 185

You believe that’s more well suited for WR than DB?

 

[85SugarVol]

Eric Berry was listed at 5’11 195 on Rivals

 

[bigl3327]

He’s listed as 5’11 185

You believe that’s more well suited for WR than DB?

Boo is 200lbs now

 

[allvolrecruiting]

He is not 5'11

 

[cncchris33]

He’s listed as 5’11 185

You believe that’s more well suited for WR than DB?

Tyreek Hill
DJ Moore
Odell Beckham
Jaylen Waddle
Tyler Lockett
Antonio Brown

Do I need to go on? Tons of WRs at that size (sub-6') have had successful careers. Getting guys open in space and letting them make plays doesn't have a size restriction the way it does for DBs. And sure, there are examples of successful DBs at that size. We just don't seem to have many on our current roster.

I'm not certain that Boo profiles as a better offensive player, but if his size is truly 5-10, sub-200 lbs, then yes, it is my OPINION that he profiles best on offense. You're free to disagree.

 

[MarcoVol]

Tyreek Hill
DJ Moore
Odell Beckham
Jaylen Waddle
Tyler Lockett
Antonio Brown

Do I need to go on? Tons of WRs at that size (sub-6') have had successful careers. Getting guys open in space and letting them make plays doesn't have a size restriction the way it does for DBs. And sure, there are examples of successful DBs at that size. We just don't seem to have many on our current roster.

I'm not certain that Boo profiles as a better offensive player, but if his size is truly 5-10, sub-200 lbs, then yes, it is my OPINION that he profiles best on offense. You're free to disagree.

I see a lot of stuff saying he’s 6’0

 

[cncchris33]

I see a lot of stuff saying he’s 6’0

If that truly is the case, I'm more comfortable with the idea of him playing DB based solely on size, not that my opinion means anything. I still think he's a valuable asset on offense, perhaps as much or more than on defense based on his ball skills. I can also see how those same skills would make him a good DB, as well. Just my opinion.

 

[allvolrecruiting]

Boo is around 5’10

 

[85SugarVol]

Tyreek Hill
DJ Moore
Odell Beckham
Jaylen Waddle
Tyler Lockett
Antonio Brown

Do I need to go on? Tons of WRs at that size (sub-6') have had successful careers. Getting guys open in space and letting them make plays doesn't have a size restriction the way it does for DBs. And sure, there are examples of successful DBs at that size. We just don't seem to have many on our current roster.

I'm not certain that Boo profiles as a better offensive player, but if his size is truly 5-10, sub-200 lbs, then yes, it is my OPINION that he profiles best on offense. You're free to disagree.

I obviously disagree.

You pointing out the exceptions is “proof” I find to be very uncompelling. But that’s of little consequence, save for random message board banter.

Fortunately though, the Coaches see him on defense. Good thing too.

 

[cncchris33]

I obviously disagree.

You pointing out the exceptions is “proof” I find to be very uncompelling. But that’s of little consequence, save for random message board banter.

Fortunately though, the Coaches see him on defense. Good thing too.

Well, any list of players I name is going to be a list of exceptions. Just like any list of successful 5'10 DBs you'd list would be a list of exceptions in the total scope of all football players.

Compelling or not, that list literally took 30 seconds to come up with off the top of my head. I could name a hundred guys that fit that description if given the time and effort.

The point being, successful sub-6' WRs are a dime a dozen.

Your disagreement is noted, though.

 

[85SugarVol]

Well, any list of players I name is going to be a list of exceptions. Just like any list of successful 5'10 DBs you'd list would be a list of exceptions in the total scope of all football players.

Compelling or not, that list literally took 30 seconds to come up with off the top of my head. I could name a hundred guys that fit that description if given the time and effort.

The point being, successful sub-6' WRs are a dime a dozen.

Your disagreement is noted, though.

5’10-5’11 DBs are only an exception when you view them in the “scope of all football players” though.

When viewed in the scope of all DBs - it’s quite normal.

WRs, on average, are taller than DBs - which makes the assertion that Boo’s size is more well suited for WR a puzzling one.

 

[85SugarVol]

Boo is around 5’10

DB or WR?

 

[BigOrangeGoose]

Moved up 17 spots to #36 overall on rivals

 

[butchna]

Boo is around 5’10

Crucial INCH…amirite?

 

[cncchris33]

5’10-5’11 DBs are only an exception when you view them in the “scope of all football players” though.

When viewed in the scope of all DBs - it’s quite normal.

WRs, on average, are taller than DBs - which makes the assertion that Boo’s size is more well suited for WR a puzzling one.

The average height of an NFL WR is 6'1⅞"
The average height of an NFL DB is 6'1¼"

Hardly a difference in the two.

But, let's pretend your incorrect assumption that most WRs are taller than most DBs were correct. Why would you believe that Boo being smaller than average DBs would be an effective defender against players you incorrectly assume are taller on average?

In other words, if Boo is 5'-10", isn't he at a disadvantage as a DB if the average WR is 6'2" when his position is responsible for making a play on the ball every time it's thrown his direction? Conversely, on offense, you get him the ball in uncontested situations (screens, jet sweeps, etc.) where his height is of no consequence and let him make plays with his athleticism.

The belief that WRs have to be 6'3"+ to be successful is antiquated thinking. I'm not necessarily attributing that belief to you, but it's a common misconception. The game is played in space, now, and diminutive WRs are everywhere on offense in college and the NFL.

Squirrel White was our best WR this year. He's 5'10". Luther Burden is 5'11", Ainias Smith is 5'10", Dayton Wade is 5'9". That's four of the top-10 SEC WRs in yardage this season.

I appreciate the discussion, and I realize I probably won't change your mind. I'm fine if Boo ends up being a DB, and like you, I just want him to be successful no matter where he plays.

 

[Sin City Vol]

Looks like Jamie Fox in Ray

 

[SoilVol]

The average height of an NFL WR is 6'1⅞"
The average height of an NFL DB is 6'1¼"

Hardly a difference in the two.

But, let's pretend your incorrect assumption that most WRs are taller than most DBs were correct. Why would you believe that Boo being smaller than average DBs would be an effective defender against players you incorrectly assume are taller on average?

In other words, if Boo is 5'-10", isn't he at a disadvantage as a DB if the average WR is 6'2" when his position is responsible for making a play on the ball every time it's thrown his direction? Conversely, on offense, you get him the ball in uncontested situations (screens, jet sweeps, etc.) where his height is of no consequence and let him make plays with his athleticism.

The belief that WRs have to be 6'3"+ to be successful is antiquated thinking. I'm not necessarily attributing that belief to you, but it's a common misconception. The game is played in space, now, and diminutive WRs are everywhere on offense in college and the NFL.

Squirrel White was our best WR this year. He's 5'10". Luther Burden is 5'11", Ainias Smith is 5'10", Dayton Wade is 5'9". That's four of the top-10 SEC WRs in yardage this season.

I appreciate the discussion, and I realize I probably won't change your mind. I'm fine if Boo ends up being a DB, and like you, I just want him to be successful no matter where he plays.

I think Boo will get drafted regardless of where he ends up playing. I think he's just that good. But I do think he ends up on defense out of need. Squirrel and Matthews will have the slot locked down.

Ironically, Matthews is also a two-way player and he could be an All-SEC safety but it's just a foregone conclusion he will be on offense. So, anyway I think Boo will make an impact as a safety for us but the silver lining is that if it's not working I'm sure Heupel will be happy to move him over.

 

[Brawlvol]

Kudos to Heupel for holding onto Boo, still a few days before signing, but Boo looks solid.
Go Vols

 

[85SugarVol]

The average height of an NFL WR is 6'1⅞"
The average height of an NFL DB is 6'1¼"

Hardly a difference in the two.

But, let's pretend your incorrect assumption that most WRs are taller than most DBs were correct. Why would you believe that Boo being smaller than average DBs would be an effective defender against players you incorrectly assume are taller on average?

Well, just going off the numbers you provided - WRs quite literally are taller than DBs lol.

DBs have always been smaller than WRs, on average.

But you are right that opinions won’t be changed here. Coaches will put him were he’s best suited and most needed.

 

[NighthawkVol]

Well, just going off the numbers you provided - WRs quite literally are taller than DBs lol.

DBs have always been smaller than WRs, on average.

But you are right that opinions won’t be changed here. Coaches will put him were he’s best suited and most needed.

I'm also guessing the range of WRs is greater. You see WRs who are 6'4" or 6'5". You almost never see DBs that tall. Which means that, in order to get the average near the same as DB average, you also see more shorter WRs in the 5'8"/5'9" range. It seems like most Safeties are in the 5'11"-6'2" range.

 

[allvolrecruiting]

DB or WR?

DB

 

[85SugarVol]

I'm also guessing the range of WRs is greater. You see WRs who are 6'4" or 6'5". You almost never see DBs that tall. Which means that, in order to get the average near the same as DB average, you also see more shorter WRs in the 5'8"/5'9" range. It seems like most Safeties are in the 5'11"-6'2" range.

There are literally 1,000’s of data points here. We can slice the data to make it say whatever we want, we can highlight dozens of exceptions.

But DBs are not bigger, as a group, than WRs.

Are there a lot of 6’2” Safeties out there?

 

[Blake25p]

DB

And PR

 

[cncchris33]

There are literally 1,000’s of data points here. We can slice the data to make it say whatever we want, we can highlight dozens of exceptions.

But DBs are not bigger, as a group, than WRs.

Are there a lot of 6’2” Safeties out there?

I'm curious though...and you didn't address it in my last post, so I'll ask it again...why do you think it's illogical to believe a 5-10 kid is a better fit at WR due to his size if from that position he's more likely to be matched up against guys (DBs) who are more similarly-sized?

From afar, it appears that your argument/justification (that WRs are bigger than DBs) works against your opposition to my preference to play him on offense due to his size. Is he not at a bigger disadvantage playing DB against bigger players (WRs) where he often has to win at the catch point than he is playing WR against smaller players (DBs) where he can win in space and his size is of no consequence?

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Looks like Jamie Fox in Ray