'22 TN DT Walter Nolen (Ole Miss)

[cncchris33]

By being on message boards doesn't form friendships. We just have something in common, and that's the fact that we like/love the same team. Also believing that a person on a message board is your friend is a false sense of reality. I come on here with perspective of truth from a person who loves UT but can also accept reality unlike a lot of other ppl. I also come speaking on recruiting in which is one of my businesses. All the animosity comes from ppl and the lies they feed themselves due to thinking a company that produces top tier talent in the state of Tennessee is against UT instead of realizing that many of these kids view UT much differently than they do. The #1 reason for that is a 10 yr window in which many who moved here from other parts of the United States have seen UT not have much success and chg coaches repeatedly since 2010.

Look, you're not wrong, and anyone with a pulse on the program knows that if they are honest with themselves.

All @Weezer is trying to say is that the aggressive and abrasive tone in which you look to deliver your message just isn't well-received by a group of people who are here for the community and camaraderie as much as they are for the latest team news and recruiting dish.

I've tried explaining that to you, myself, in the past, and it was simply met with defense mechanisms such as anger and dissention, so I won't expect different, this time. Just wondering if in light of everyone here who seems opposed solely to your delivery, and not the message, necessarily, if you'd ever stepped back and thought to yourself, "maybe they're not the problem"?

 

[UTMVol76]

 

[Hawaiian Hammer]

69%

Nice

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

When he (Garner) left us for UGA, that was the beginning of the downfall of the Fulmer era. The Georgia pipeline which was a large part of our success, became a trickle.

That's the way I remember it anyhow.

Losing Garner and Cut, was the beggining of the slide. GBO!!!!

 

[Geaux_Vols]

Let me explain to you, coming ro UT will not garner any better benefits than going to Bama or UGA. Actually going g to either of those 2 will get him more. Those 2 win on an elite level right now and playing there has a little more clout at the current moment. None of these kids are worry about taxes and all that like a normal citizen like I or you.

For a UT fan, how do you not see that your tone comes across as if you'd rather he pick Bama or UGA? Not picking a fight, even giving you the benefit of the doubt, but the way you post comes across entirely anti-UT. Do you honestly not see it? It's what pisses people off. You can be honest in your posting while not dissing UT.

i've read these posts a dozen times and for the life of me i can't figure out why this upsets so many people. anti-ut? conley is acknowledging the reality of the situation. are we really getting hurt feelings over objectivity, about a dude talking about his lived experience talking to these kids? we can't be that soft, you guys.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

i've read these posts a dozen times and for the life of me i can't figure out why this upsets so many people. anti-ut? conley is acknowledging the reality of the situation. are we really getting hurt feelings over objectivity, about a dude talking about his lived experience talking to these kids? we can't be that soft, you guys.

Found his alternate account

 

[Geaux_Vols]

Found his alternate account

yes, that must be it.

 

[Okboomer]

Wow, he just shared this on his Instagram.... not many post from this guy. He would kill with NIL money at UT. Smart kid if he is really considering

 

[Catbone]

i've read these posts a dozen times and for the life of me i can't figure out why this upsets so many people. anti-ut? conley is acknowledging the reality of the situation. are we really getting hurt feelings over objectivity, about a dude talking about his lived experience talking to these kids? we can't be that soft, you guys.

So many people in denial. All you gotta do is look at our past 15 years and realize we aren't in the 90s anymore.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

So many people in denial. All you gotta do is look at our past 15 years and realize we aren't in the 90s anymore.

Let them pretend. It’s orange shaded mob mentality. Most of them clock in on the R word spectrum of the IQ table.

 

[Geaux_Vols]

Let them pretend. It’s orange shaded mob mentality. Most of them clock in on the R word spectrum of the IQ table.

i hope none of them ever get the opportunity to sit in on an actual staff recruiting visit because MAN its going to be rough for them.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Winning has **** all to do with the NIL endorsement money, at least directly. Which is what the discussion was about before you guys Eeyore mentality kicked in.

There is no reason to think Nolan would make more money at UGA, Florida, or Bama just because they are winning at the moment.

A year in Knoxville to get his name out there locally, and then likely stepping in as a day one starter... He's going to get more NIL money faster here than he would anywhere else. That's just a fact from how I see it.


Walking into a new state as a JAG is not going to get him more money just because they are winning more games. There is no reason to think that.

 

[Weezer]

i hope none of them ever get the opportunity to sit in on an actual staff recruiting visit because MAN its going to be rough for them.

You think fans aren't perfectly aware of the last 15 years and how UT has fallen? A blind man could see it. I was simply pointing out to Conley his vitriolic tone. Take the conversation as a whole, not simply one post. You can be truthful while being tactful. Sometimes you accomplish more with an open hand than a closed fist.

 

[Geaux_Vols]

A year in Knoxville to get his name out there locally, and then likely stepping in as a day one starter... He's going to get more NIL money faster here than he would anywhere else. That's just a fact from how I see it.

i believe that's called an opinion.

 

[Geaux_Vols]

You think fans aren't perfectly aware of the last 15 years and how UT has fallen? A blind man could see it. I was simply pointing out to Conley his vitriolic tone. Take the conversation as a whole, not simply one post. You can be truthful while being tactful. Sometimes you accomplish more with an open hand than a closed fist.

i guess i don't really see the vitriol? i guess he might get defensive when people insist his completely rational posts are "mean" because they're not sunshine-pumping enough, but i don't recall him ever posting anything that was outright mean? i don't mean to direct this at you, i like you, but theres a sentiment around here that being blunt about the situation we find ourselves in right now and not really playing along with the unbridled optimism about the future somehow means you're "anti-UT". i think it cheapens the discourse is all.

and i say that as prob the first person to pump sunshine about Heup on this board! lol.

 

[Ten_Titans]

i believe that's called an opinion.

Okay. Why do you think otherwise? Why is he going to make more NIL money elsewhere?

 

[Geaux_Vols]

Okay. Why do you think otherwise? Why is he going to make more NIL money elsewhere?

My point is thats unknowable. Claiming HE CAN'T MAKE ANY MORE NIL MONEY THAN IN KNOXVILLE is driven largely by bias, not facts. the bama QB who has only thrown 23 passes is closing in on a million in NIL money already. you think we have anyone close to that? we don't.

i also think fans are WAY overhyping this NIL stuff. kids want to play ball, and they want to win games. big time producers are going to get paid literally anywhere they go. i promise you no one's NIL pitch is landing them recruits at this point (except maybe bama's with their millionaire qb, but who knows).

 

[InVOLuntary]

i guess i don't really see the vitriol? i guess he might get defensive when people insist his completely rational posts are "mean" because they're not sunshine-pumping enough, but i don't recall him ever posting anything that was outright mean? i don't mean to direct this at you, i like you, but theres a sentiment around here that being blunt about the situation we find ourselves in right now and not really playing along with the unbridled optimism about the future somehow means you're "anti-UT". i think it cheapens the discourse is all.

The problem is its the same thing day in and day out. All he does in come in and preach about how much the Vols suck. People get sick of it. Not to mention his inconsistencies. He hung from Pruitt testes until and after the bitter end.

People get it. We don't need to be preached to. I used to enjoy his insight even though I didn't like some of it. I seldom read his post any more. Because I don't like it? No. It's because I've read it a million times.

 

[Weezer]

i guess i don't really see the vitriol? i guess he might get defensive when people insist his completely rational posts are "mean" because they're not sunshine-pumping enough, but i don't recall him ever posting anything that was outright mean? i don't mean to direct this at you, i like you, but theres a sentiment around here that being blunt about the situation we find ourselves in right now and not really playing along with the unbridled optimism about the future somehow means you're "anti-UT". i think it cheapens the discourse is all.

To quote you,

"I believe that's called an opinion."

Some probably agree with you, some probably agree with me. I don't dislike Conley, which is why I put my thoughts out there, but sometimes, yeah, I feel like he's rubbing salt on open wounds. I appreciate what Conley brings to the board, but sometimes I feel like he takes it over the top. Maybe he means to, maybe he doesn't. On the chance that he doesn't, I pointed it out. I know I've unintentionally come across more intense than I meant to at times, and have had to dial it back when someone pointed it out. It happens. Like I said, you can be truthful while remaining tactful.

 

[Ten_Titans]

My point is thats unknowable. Claiming HE CAN'T MAKE ANY MORE NIL MONEY THAN IN KNOXVILLE is driven largely by bias, not facts. the bama QB who hasn't played a snap of football is closing in on a million in NIL money already. you think we have anyone close to that? we don't.

i also think fans are WAY overhyping this NIL stuff. kids want to play ball, and they want to win games. big time producers are going to get paid literally anywhere they go. i promise you no one's NIL pitch is landing them recruits at this point (except maybe bama's with their millionaire qb, but who knows).

I just assumed when de1 said that he would definitely make more money elsewhere and you immediately started defending his honor, you felt stronger about that.

Of course it's all speculation. I laid out exactly why I speculate he will make more here. The number 1 reason for optimism as a UT fan is the sheer amount of interest and money that still exists around the program. So when when the discussion is about money, I think it's silly to suggest UT can't compete with anyone.

Is NIL the most important factor? Maybe. Maybe not. But that was the topic of the post you quoted.

 

[Geaux_Vols]

The problem is its the same thing day in and day out. All he does in come in and preach about how much the Vols suck. People get sick of it. Not to mention his inconsistencies. He hung from Pruitt testes until and after the bitter end.

People get it. We don't need to be preached to. I used to enjoy his insight even though I didn't like some of it. I seldom read his post any more. Because I don't like it? No. It's because I've read it a million times.

To quote you,

"I believe that's called an opinion."

Some probably agree with you, some probably agree with me. I don't dislike Conley, which is why I put my thoughts out there, but sometimes, yeah, I feel like he's rubbing salt on open wounds. I appreciate what Conley brings to the board, but sometimes I feel like he takes it over the top. Maybe he means to, maybe he doesn't. On the chance that he doesn't, I pointed it out. I know I've unintentionally come across more intense than I meant to at times, and have had to dial it back when someone pointed it out. It happens. Like I said, you can be truthful while remaining tactful.

and that's all fine! i promise you, i get it. its a bummer when it feels like people aren't reading the room. i'm just saying we shouldn't be so quick to label them an enemy or anti-UT or whatever. i mean, he spends enough time here that if he was, in fact anti-UT, he'd be the biggest masochist i've ever seen. its clear he enjoys talking about UT football, he's just coming from a different place than most of us. a little understanding goes a long way.

 

[bigl3327]

We are THE school in the state of TN when it comes to NIL, and still one of the most rabid fan bases in the country. In state 5 stars will not benefit more anywhere, in regards to NIL, than staying home and representing the Power T (if they put in the work). Guess what? If all the top in state players stay home, then wins will come as well. I believe we finally have a competent coaching staff from top to bottom. We've had some really good assistants before, but terrible leadership at the top. Heupel isn't just a player's coach. He is also a coach's coach. All of his assistants feel valued and their input is part of the process. Will he be given the time to right the ship? Only time will tell. This fan base wants immediate success. The question is, will 8-4 or 9-3 be good enough if he doesn't beat THE BIG 3,
right away (First 3 seasons)?

 

[Weezer]

and that's all fine! i promise you, i get it. its a bummer when it feels like people aren't reading the room. i'm just saying we shouldn't be so quick to label them an enemy or anti-UT or whatever. i mean, he spends enough time here that if he was, in fact anti-UT, he'd be the biggest masochist i've ever seen. its clear he enjoys talking about UT football, he's just coming from a different place than most of us. a little understanding goes a long way.

A little understanding? Why do you think I was pointing it out to him rather than attacking and lobbing insults like some do? I simply said his tone can come across as "anti-UT". If I truly thought he was anti-UT I wouldn't even attempt a conversation.

 

[Ashevolle]

We are THE school in the state of TN when it comes to NIL, and still one of the most rabid fan bases in the country. In state 5 stars will not benefit more anywhere, in regards to NIL, than staying home and representing the Power T (if they put in the work). Guess what? If all the top in state players stay home, then wins will come as well. I believe we finally have a competent coaching staff from top to bottom. We've had some really good assistants before, but terrible leadership at the top. Heupel isn't just a player's coach. He is also a coach's coach. All of his assistants feel valued and their input is part of the process. Will he be given the time to right the ship? Only time will tell. This fan base wants immediate success. The question is, will 8-4 or 9-3 be good enough if he doesn't beat THE BIG 3,
right away (First 3 seasons)?

It better be or we are destined for another 20 years in the desert.

 

[Geaux_Vols]

I just assumed when de1 said that he would definitely make more money elsewhere and you immediately started defending his honor, you felt stronger about that.

Of course it's all speculation. I laid out exactly why I speculate he will make more here. The number 1 reason for optimism as a UT fan is the sheer amount of interest and money that still exists around the program. So when when the discussion is about money, I think it's silly to suggest UT can't compete with anyone.

Is NIL the most important factor? Maybe. Maybe not. But that was the topic of the post you quoted.

i don't think UT can't compete, but long-term winning just creates different opportunities. as it relates to nolan, NIL just isnt our strongest argument against the teams we're fighting for nolan. garner making him the best damn DL he can be and getting him REAL MONEY in the league is.