TN has the no. 1. over all draft pick again

[hatvol96]

I guess he was just holding all those drugs for a friend. Nah, actually he pleaded guilty for being involved in a Federal drug case not a league test.

If you would bother to look at the facts of said case, something you've obviously never done, you would know that it was never even alleged that Jam was in possession of any drugs. He set up a meeting between a guy who wanted to buy drugs and someone who sold drugs. At no point was Jamal Lewis ever alleged to have possessed or transported any drugs.

 

[VolBeef88]

You, nor any of the other folks who bash Jamal, have given any example of a runner who came back full speed from a major knee injury in less than one year. If people would simply say they don't like Jam, that would be fair. However, you invent a perceived lack of effort to rip the guy. Further, if Jam wasn't giving effort, why didn't the sainted head coach remove him from the team? If he had such a bad attitude, shoudn't the coach handle that swiftly?

Show me one time I have posted that I do not like Jamal? Let me save you some time, I haven't. It's funny that you seem to be the only person i have EVER met that doesn't think JL half assed it when he came back. If he gave it his all why was TH getting so many carries? I never said he had a bad attitude per say, but I think he did mail it in. the bad attitude remark was about the way seem to defend Pickens, Wahington et al. Not JL. As well as the way you go after so many of the fan favorites. But that is fine. You like players with piss poor attitudes who seem to care less what the school and fans think.

 

[hatvol96]

Well i think Hat was merely pointing out that sometimes it seems the standards we have for some players don't alwasy seem to be the same for others. To that end, i would have to agree with him.

it's no secret that a lot of people, including myslef i might add, think that Jamal played it safe his jr. year to take care of his knee for the draft in April.

then a kid comes a long in baseball, and not only does he play it safe, he just choses not to play.

So his point was simply what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and to that, i'll agree with him.

but personally, my feelings about what Jamal did or did not do in his jr year at TN has no bearing on the fact that i hope he does well in his pro career, just as i hope the same for Luke.

Good to see someone got the point.

 

[VolBeef88]

Good to see someone got the point.

I got your point. I just disagree with you.

 

[hatvol96]

Show me one time I have posted that I do not like Jamal? Let me save you some time, I haven't. It's funny that you seem to be the only person i have EVER met that doesn't think JL half assed it when he came back. If he gave it his all why was TH getting so many carries? I never said he had a bad attitude per say, but I think he did mail it in. the bad attitude remark was about the way seem to defend Pickens, Wahington et al. Not JL. As well as the way you go after so many of the fan favorites. But that is fine. You like players with piss poor attitudes who seem to care less what the school and fans think.

I'm going to guess the fact he was coming back off major knee surgery had something to do with his performance not being up to his previous standards.

 

[VolBeef88]

I'm going to guess the fact he was coming back off major knee surgery had something to do with his performance not being up to his previous standards.

Just like I thought. You make accusations that I and some others don't like Jamal. You also use a chance to bash another UT guy from another sport while at the same time bashing another running back to bolster your pitiful attempt to show that I and others don't like Jamal. You have bashed so many of our players and coaches that it isn't even funny and appear to primarily defend those who either have legal issues or are percieved to not care one bit about the school nor the fans they played for. I guess in your mind, caring what fans think is bad.

 

[jakez4ut]

Good to see someone got the point.

:hi: just cleaned off the objectivity glasses...but in all fairness though, you did start this little debate, surely you had an idea of how it would end up?

 

[hatvol96]

Just like I thought. You make accusations that I and some others don't like Jamal. You also use a chance to bash another UT guy from another sport while at the same time bashing another running back to bolster your pitiful attempt to show that I and others don't like Jamal. You have bashed so many of our players and coaches that it isn't even funny and appear to primarily defend those who either have legal issues or are percieved to not care one bit about the school nor the fans they played for. I guess in your mind, caring what fans think is bad.

Attacking a person's integrity by saying they have no heart certainly doesn't bely any affection for that person.

 

[hatvol96]

Just like I thought. You make accusations that I and some others don't like Jamal. You also use a chance to bash another UT guy from another sport while at the same time bashing another running back to bolster your pitiful attempt to show that I and others don't like Jamal. You have bashed so many of our players and coaches that it isn't even funny and appear to primarily defend those who either have legal issues or are percieved to not care one bit about the school nor the fans they played for. I guess in your mind, caring what fans think is bad.

Caring what anyone thinks is bad.

 

[jakez4ut]

Just like I thought. You make accusations that I and some others don't like Jamal. You also use a chance to bash another UT guy from another sport while at the same time bashing another running back to bolster your pitiful attempt to show that I and others don't like Jamal. You have bashed so many of our players and coaches that it isn't even funny and appear to primarily defend those who either have legal issues or are percieved to not care one bit about the school nor the fans they played for. I guess in your mind, caring what fans think is bad.

the only thing i will say to this is that the players, while in a utopian situation it would be the reverse and the players would play for the glory of 'ol UT but that's not reality, are there for one reason, supposedly. to gain an education to better their chances in the real world. For some football players, that education is football. to that end, they have no obligation to care what the fans think.

it's the coaches' jobs to worry about what the fans think.

 

[Freak]

You, nor any of the other folks who bash Jamal, have given any example of a runner who came back full speed from a major knee injury in less than one year. However, you invent a perceived lack of effort to rip the guy.

Nobody said they expected him to be "fully recovered". Many that watched Jamal play thought he was not giving 100%. Our perceived lack of effort is no different than you "perceiving" that he did give 100%.

If people would simply say they don't like Jam, that would be fair.

Fair? According to who? Since when do our opinions have to meet your litmus test? I think I'll just stand by my opinion that I don't think your boy gave 100%.

 

[hatvol96]

the only thing i will say to this is that the players, while in a utopian situation it would be the reverse and the players would play for the glory of 'ol UT but that's not reality, are there for one reason, supposedly. to gain an education to better their chances in the real world. For some football players, that education is football. to that end, they have no obligation to care what the fans think.

it's the coaches' jobs to worry about what the fans think.

Coaches should worry about winning, not about pleasing the masses. I agree with Pat Riley. Fans, like the media, are "peripheral opponents" of a team.

 

[jakez4ut]

Coaches should worry about winning, not about pleasing the masses. I agree with Pat Riley. Fans, like the media, are "peripheral opponents" of a team.

i agree, but the fans, like the media, can put administrators/GM's in tight spots....perception of reality is often times stronger than the reality of the situation.

especially in college athletics. when a good portion of the money you bring in is from donors (most of whom are fans) they tend to have a role, although indirectly, in moves made by administration.

ask Herb Sendec or Ron Zook for example.

to that end, the coach has to, and maybe care is the wrong word, be at least aware of what the fan base feels/thinks.

that doesn't mean that the coach should make decisions based on that, but he/she should be aware of what's going on with the temparature of the fan base is.

 

[VolBeef88]

the only thing i will say to this is that the players, while in a utopian situation it would be the reverse and the players would play for the glory of 'ol UT but that's not reality, are there for one reason, supposedly. to gain an education to better their chances in the real world. For some football players, that education is football. to that end, they have no obligation to care what the fans think.

it's the coaches' jobs to worry about what the fans think.

I disagree. I will use hates favorite punching bag as an example. Why did Peyton cme back? He would have went first coming out as a JR and made just as much money and could have avoided an injury to his knee. How about Jason Allen? There have been a ton of players at all schools who came back their SR year. Plus you can tell that most players do care about the fans and do have a ton of pride in their schools. So I don't think htat dog will hunt.

 

[VolBeef88]

Caring what anyone thinks is bad.

I know you are smarter than that comment makes you look.

 

[orange+white=heaven]

It's discussions such as this one that make me wonder what the 70% of folks who read the Nation and never once post, really think about the 30% of us who do post actively....

 

[hatvol96]

It's discussions such as this one that make me wonder what the 70% of folks who read the Nation and never once post, really think about the 30% of us who do post actively....

Why would you care what they think?

 

[orange+white=heaven]

Why would you care what they think?

I suspect that somewhere out there in that silent 70% is a more accurate representation of what the "average" fan thinks of all things orange.
And, going back to what a couple of folks said about coaches worrying what the fans think, that is likely where the opinion those coaches ought to worry about lies.

 

[hatvol96]

I know you are smarter than that comment makes you look.

I was using an oversimplification to accentuate a larger point. Going through life looking for validation from others is unhealthy and counterproductive. I don't care if a player loves the fans, hates the fans, or doesn't acknowledge the existence of the fans. As long as the guy produces, I've got no issues with him.

 

[hatvol96]

I suspect that somewhere out there in that silent 70% is a more accurate representation of what the "average" fan thinks of all things orange.
And, going back to what a couple of folks said about coaches worrying what the fans think, that is likely where the opinion those coaches ought to worry about lies.

College coaches need to worry about the people who donate the big money to build facilities. As long as a coach has those folks on his side, he's secure in his position.

 

[orange+white=heaven]

College coaches need to worry about the people who donate the big money to build facilities. As long as a coach has those folks on his side, he's secure in his position.

Which is why Thunder has so many photos of himself and Phil fishing in Wyoming. But Phil, and Hamilton, are not deaf to overall opinion. Nor should they be. Both have said repeatedly they understand that patience is running thin. Jake suggested they(coaches) had to read the thermometer. I don't think they need to read it. It's rectal, and they can feel the heat.

 

[volinbham]

At the risk of being on topic:


Congrats to Luke!

 

[hatvol96]

At the risk of being on topic:
Congrats to Luke!

I concur.

 

[jakez4ut]

Which is why Thunder has so many photos of himself and Phil fishing in Wyoming. But Phil, and Hamilton, are not deaf to overall opinion. Nor should they be. Both have said repeatedly they understand that patience is running thin. Jake suggested they(coaches) had to read the thermometer. I don't think they need to read it. It's rectal, and they can feel the heat.

:lolabove: Not exactly how i phrased it, but close enough!!!

 

[cd12]

I have no problem with kids leaving early for Pro sports. Just as I have no problem with a kid with any other major and doesn't play sports leaving school if they can make a ton of cash and do what they have always dreamed of doing so that is not the point and I don't think that is greedy. What bothers most fans is that Jamal came back and didn't even give the appearance of trying. No, he doesn't owe anyone a thing. Character and heart is what wins fans over. You are among the minority of fans who seem to like players who have piss poor attitudes and could care less what the fans think. That is your right. Just like it's your right to dislike all the players who give their all for UT and become a fan favorite. Courage, heart and appreciation for a school and fan base that gave you the opportunity to showcase your talent on a major stage as a player is and will always be appreciated by the overwhelming majority of fans of any school. That hate is a fact that even you can't (but I'm sure will) argue with.

Courage,heart,appreciation? It seems they got away from that years ago! That will not get you a scholarship these days! All you need is a good 40 time,be strong! Oh yeah, and a good rating from some "expert".