TN has the no. 1. over all draft pick again

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Wait wait wait hat. You say it shouldn't matter what the fans think to a player and yet you are pissing and moaning about people not liking Jamal for certain reasons. How exactly does that work? For it to not matter to the person receiving criticism, you sure are taking offense to it. Either it should matter to him, or you shouldn't be arguing so much against it.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Jun 6 said:
Wait wait wait hat. You say it shouldn't matter what the fans think to a player and yet you are pissing and moaning about people not liking Jamal for certain reasons. How exactly does that work? For it to not matter to the person receiving criticism, you sure are taking offense to it. Either it should matter to him, or you shouldn't be arguing so much against it.
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Not true. I disdain injustice. The constant attacks Jamal Lewis receives for playing hurt during his junior season are wildly unfair. However, I can assure you Jamal Lewis could give two flips about what anyone associated with UT thinks. He, along with Rodney Garner, are making sure the word gets out about how our "fans" treated him while he was here. That's how he gets the last laugh. Haven't seen us pulling talent out of the Metro Atlanta area lately, have you?
 
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(hatvol96 @ Jun 6 said:
Not true. I disdain injustice. The constant attacks Jamal Lewis receives for playing hurt during his junior season are wildly unfair. However, I can assure you Jamal Lewis could give two flips about what anyone associated with UT thinks. He, along with Rodney Garner, are making sure the word gets out about how our "fans" treated him while he was here. That's how he gets the last laugh. Haven't seen us pulling talent out of the Metro Atlanta area lately, have you?
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The root of Jamal's problem with UT fans is that he seemed to do less with more while the Big Cheese and Travis Henry seemed to do more with less. He is disliked for the perception that he put himself before the program. That is a decision that he had to make.

I hope that Rodney Garner isn't talking UT up given his current position. He is a great recruiter, but you never give Richt his due. GA's offensive scheme has as much to do with their recruiting success as Garner does. If you give it a year or two UT will be dipping back into GA to pull from the talent. I am more concerned with Spurrier eventually putting a wall around SC to tell you the truth.
 
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(Lexvol @ Jun 6 said:
The root of Jamal's problem with UT fans is that he seemed to do less with more while the Big Cheese and Travis Henry seemed to do more with less. He is disliked for the perception that he put himself before the program. That is a decision that he had to make.

I hope that Rodney Garner isn't talking UT up given his current position. He is a great recruiter, but you never give Richt his due. GA's offensive scheme has as much to do with their recruiting success as Garner does. If you give it a year or two UT will be dipping back into GA to pull from the talent. I am more concerned with Spurrier eventually putting a wall around SC to tell you the truth.
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Rodney, Jamal, and, to a lesser extent, Deon Grant have made it quite clear to anyone who asks that UT's not the place to be.
 
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I think that Richt has a little more to do with UT getting few players from that area than what a couple former players have to say.
 
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#56
Damn that Phil Fulmer!

It's HIS fault Luke didn't come back for his senior year. After Fulmer mailed it in last season Luke didn't wanna be seen on the same campus.

How dare he, God I wish they'd fire that fatty!

*Sarcasam off*

This HatVol posting moment has been brought to you by Nations Bank. When no one else likes you, and your neverending quest to attack all that is orange fails, Nations Bank is on your side.





Congrats Luke! He joins the same organization as Jimmy Gobble, whom is from John Battle highschool, just outside of Bristol Va.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ Jun 6 said:
I disagree. I will use hates favorite punching bag as an example. Why did Peyton cme back? He would have went first coming out as a JR and made just as much money and could have avoided an injury to his knee. How about Jason Allen? There have been a ton of players at all schools who came back their SR year. Plus you can tell that most players do care about the fans and do have a ton of pride in their schools. So I don't think htat dog will hunt.
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the only problem with any of this is that while i won't argue that for the fans both Manning and Allen coming back was pleasing to the fans, and as a result probably endeared them to the fanbase more than they already were, i don't think that the entire thought process for both of them coming back was to be a fan favorite. Yeah, it may have been a consideration, but it wasn't the overriding factor. In Peyton's case, it was simply a case of a guy that didn't NEED to come out for the money, and he really enjoyed college and college football. Plus, i think his main motiviation was to win a championship, which he did. In Allen's case, while he was rumored to possibly be a high draft pick after his JR year, i think he came back on some good advice that he needed one more year to solidify a 1st round pick. Which it did. the by product of all that was that the fans loved that they both came back.

And as for the tons of players that play for the fans etc...that may be true. there may be in fact more college football players that do care about the school, pride etc...than not. but those, in a lot of cases, not all, aren't the ones we are talking about that leave early. they are the ones that generally have marginal chance at a pro career or none at all. let's face it, more times than not, those that aren't true NFL caliber, don't leave early, it's not a choice, it's a matter of circumstance.

Leaving college early for the pro's in and of itself is an admission that there are more important things in your future than playing college football. What about Heath Shuler? He left early, and o/t than the comments that he made a mistake by doing so, he is not vilified for leaving early....but while he was here and even now, he is still a fan favorite to many. but he did the same thing. He put a pro career ahead of what was important to 'ol UT.

I don't always agree with hat, as we have had our spats in the past, but on this issue, i do see where he has a point.
 
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(jakez4ut @ Jun 6 said:
relax, in baseball....Luke Hochevar was selected as the #1 overall prospect by the KC Royals today...

congrats, and good luck, i think he might need it playing for KC.
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On the radio this morning, the sports analysts were surprised that Hochevar went first in the draft. The Dodgers drafted him last year and he went and played independent ball instead. That left a cloud of concern over his signability. But, I guess his stuff is just too wicked to pass on.
 
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one things for sure, i'd think that the Dodgers are a much better situation to be in than the Royals....why he didn't sign, i don't know. I don't know that the Royals are going to have that much money to begin with, at least opposed to LA.
 
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They have hired the Braves asst GM as their GM. So I'd say those days are over.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Jun 6 said:
Does anyone really care about anyone the Royals draft?
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Some might , who are you to say what is important enough to be posted? You are the one who highjacked the thread.
 
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(volmanjr @ Jun 7 said:
Some might , who are you to say what is important enough to be posted? You are the one who highjacked the thread.
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It was a rhetorical question. A commentary on how far the franchise of Brett and Saberhagen has fallen.
 
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