TN LV: Holly Warlick Should officially be on the HOT Seat

#51
#51
Wasn't DeMoss PS's first assistant? Warlick was more like team cheerleader/best friend of Pat. PS stiffed DeMoss because she was closer to Warlick--just the type of decision that results in disaster.


Wait, DeMoss leaves the Lady Vols to become head coach at KY. After three seasons with Ky trending in the right direction, she resigns saying that she did not like the pressure of being a HC. She then becomes an assistant at Texas. She then returns as a LV assistant and then moves on to be an assistant coach in the WNBA. She is now the assistant coach for Tyler at La Tech.

So when and where did Pat Sumittt stiff DeMoss?
 
#52
#52
Wait, DeMoss leaves the Lady Vols to become head coach at KY. After three seasons with Ky trending in the right direction, she resigns saying that she did not like the pressure of being a HC. She then becomes an assistant at Texas. She then returns as a LV assistant and then moves on to be an assistant coach in the WNBA. She is now the assistant coach for Tyler at La Tech.

So when and where did Pat Sumittt stiff DeMoss?

That was my recollection of events as well. What the loss of DeMoss impacted greatly was long term recruiting. She was an awesome recruiter at Auburn and then at Tennessee.
 
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#55
#55
If they make a change and hire someone, it really won't matter. There will be those who are not satisfied for whatever reason. There will still be team bashing on this site by those who don't know how to do anything else (you know who your are). Will anything ever be good enough?

I would rather hire Bruce Pearl if it were me but his mouth would probably get him into trouble so it is just as well they don't go down that path….but they could use someone who is capable of pulling the volunteer nation together….if someone like that actually exists.
 
#56
#56
It's not too late. Fahrizazz now before the brand is lost completely, a la LA Tech. Holly has been a good soldier and has eased the transition.
The time is right.
 
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#58
#58
A strong hire could have kept the LadyVols at the level Pat had them at. Hart should have taken the responsibility for hiring the next LadyVols coach and not let Pat name her successor.

I respectfully disagree. I believe that the greatest women's basketball coach ever knows more about who has potential to be a great women's basketball coach than Dave Hart. Fairly unique situation.
 
#59
#59
In my opinion, we have the worst basketball coach (ladies) in the SEC. I understand being loyal to one of your own. However, we badly need someone that can coach at least a little bit.

Agreed! There are at least 20 high school coaches in TN that could take this LV team & win the SEC. HW is so far out of her league, & UT is being embarrassed! :hi:
 
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One is not a quitter simply because they dislike bad basketball. Baling or quitting a program is saying I am done with the program and I haven't seen any fan say they were done with the Lady Vol's. Unless one is blind the coaching staff has not placed a consistent good product on the floor. Right now this is a very frustrating product to watch. There is nothing worse than watching a coaching staff that seems clueless as to how they can correct some very glaring issues. I personally want to see the Lady Vols live up to their talent. If this makes me a bailing quitter then so be it.

The gist of my post was directed at someone other than you, but if the shoe fits.

You're right about one thing, the glaring issues. It's a difference of opinion as to what they are.

If you look at the losses, in four of the five, Russell and Graves combined for 10-17 total shot attempts while individually or some combination of Nared, Reynolds and Cooper are throwing up 2 to 3 times the attempts and they aren't going in...it's worse from 3...

Further, in four of the five losses, those players don't get to the line hardly at all and the opposing team has significantly more attempts and points from the line, usually in the second half.

To illustrate my point the 1976-77 team accounts for the fewest made free throws (368) and fewest attempts (556 )in a season by a Lady Vols squad. They played 33 games that season.

So far this year we've made 183 and attempted 256.

In the last game, we had 24 turnovers, the record for team TO's is held by the 1984 team with 32 versus Texas.

I guess to you and most others that reflects on the coaches. I guess the opinion of the masses is that this coaching staff has gone away from wanting the ball to be thrown into the post, that they've forgotten how to help low post players get position and that they are in favor of continuing to take jumpers and threes when it's clear the perimeter players are having an off night. I guess the thinking is that even though the current head coach, who also just happened to be a guard herself is coaching the kids to turn the ball over and that the same person who racked up 141 steals in in 1978-79, still a season record, doesn't know about valuing the ball or give a crap about defensive effort.

Players have off nights, whether it's Michael Jordan, Candace Parker, the young lady at UConn...whoever.

But 99% of the time that I recall watching them play, it's etched on their face, they don't want to simply win they want to humiliate you and they sure as hell will carry the load because they hate to lose.

I don't think Pat Summitt, Geno or Phil Jackson did anything but inherit them, X's and O's taught, for sure, but competitiveness, will to win, overcome adversity...they led by example and the team got on board and the ones who can't hang, they are on the bench or gone.


That's what's missing. Players holding players accountable for their effort or lack there of. Graves, Carter and Deshields are either going to step up and lead or by Lady Vols fans' standards it's going to be a subpar year, maybe it already is, but there is not much the staff can do except keep their heads down and continue to teach.

That's my opinion and I understand yours is different.

It's bad form to call for the head coaches job in the middle of the season, said the same for Fulmer, Pearl, and Martin and it has a negative effect on the team which I know first hand.

Bad as it is, neither the coaches or the players are quitting on you, they'll be there whether you are or not. In the end it's just common courtesy.
 
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#62
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The gist of my post was directed at someone other than you, but if the shoe fits.

You're right about one thing, the glaring issues. It's a difference of opinion as to what they are.

If you look at the losses, in four of the five, Russell and Graves combined for 10-17 total shot attempts while individually or some combination of Nared, Reynolds and Cooper are throwing up 2 to 3 times the attempts and they aren't going in...it's worse from 3...

Further, in four of the five losses, those players don't get to the line hardly at all and the opposing team has significantly more attempts and points from the line, usually in the second half.

To illustrate my point the 1976-77 team accounts for the fewest made free throws (368) and fewest attempts (556 )in a season by a Lady Vols squad. They played 33 games that season.

So far this year we've made 183 and attempted 256.

In the last game, we had 24 turnovers, the record for team TO's is held by the 1984 team with 32 versus Texas.

I guess to you and most others that reflects on the coaches. I guess the opinion of the masses is that this coaching staff has gone away from wanting the ball to be thrown into the post, that they've forgotten how to help low post players get position and that they are in favor of continuing to take jumpers and threes when it's clear the perimeter players are having an off night. I guess the thinking is that even though the current head coach, who also just happened to be a guard herself is coaching the kids to turn the ball over and that the same person who racked up 141 steals in in 1978-79, still a season record, doesn't know about valuing the ball or give a crap about defensive effort.

Players have off nights, whether it's Michael Jordan, Candace Parker, the young lady at UConn...whoever.

But 99% of the time that I recall watching them play, it's etched on their face, they don't want to simply win they want to humiliate you and they sure as hell will carry the load because they hate to lose.

I don't think Pat Summitt, Geno or Phil Jackson did anything but inherit them, X's and O's taught, for sure, but competitiveness, will to win, overcome adversity...they led by example and the team got on board and the ones who can't hang, they are on the bench or gone.


That's what's missing. Players holding players accountable for their effort or lack there of. Graves, Carter and Deshields are either going to step up and lead or by Lady Vols fans' standards it's going to be a subpar year, maybe it already is, but there is not much the staff can do except keep their heads down and continue to teach.

That's my opinion and I understand yours is different.

It's bad form to call for the head coaches job in the middle of the season, said the same for Fulmer, Pearl, and Martin and it has a negative effect on the team which I know first hand.

Bad as it is, neither the coaches or the players are quitting on you, they'll be there whether you are or not. In the end it's just common courtesy.

Post of the day right here folks.
 
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#64
#64
Let's be honest here. Holly watched Pat do her thing for years. Her model of success is all Holly knows. Sadly, there's only one PHS. Pat was a force. She was bigger than life and could will/inspire a team to win. Pat also enjoyed the benefit of superior talent for most of her career. That began to change in the last few years of Pat's tenure. Other teams began to catch up in the talent department. Coaching started to become more critical. Holly simply doesn't have that ability. She's no where near a top tier coach. She's trying to do what Pat did, but it's simply not working. The game has changed and Holly is not PHS. She's being exposed. She's toast. Just a matter of time. She's not able to relate to her team much less inspire them. Recruiting is down and out. Listen to her during interviews. She's over her head. It's apparent to anyone with an open eye.
 
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#65
#65
The women's team was well-regarded and a mecca for the hottest recruits until the decision was made to deck the Vols with boughs of Holly.
 
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#68
Hasn't Holly really just been a place-holder for Tyler Summitt once he gets some solid head-coaching experience and a decent reputation for recruiting behind him? After all, the floor's already got his name on it.

As an impartial observer, let me ask this. What if you guys fire Holly and hire Tyler. If Tyler gets a high stress job too early in his career, how do you fire Pat's son?
 
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#69
#69
So you're just talking out of your ass about something you know nothing about? Makes sense.

I know this, the Lady Vols were ranked 6th in the country and there was a thread on this board to fire Holly. That sums up your group.
 
#70
#70
As an impartial observer, let me ask this. What if you guys fire Holly and hire Tyler. If Tyler gets a high stress job too early in his career, how do you fire Pat's son?

Tyler is nowhere near ready for the big stage.

Some of our so-called fans also called for Butch Jones's job when they lost 4 games early in season. Now he's the best thing since sliced bread.
 
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The gist of my post was directed at someone other than you, but if the shoe fits.

You're right about one thing, the glaring issues. It's a difference of opinion as to what they are.

If you look at the losses, in four of the five, Russell and Graves combined for 10-17 total shot attempts while individually or some combination of Nared, Reynolds and Cooper are throwing up 2 to 3 times the attempts and they aren't going in...it's worse from 3...

Further, in four of the five losses, those players don't get to the line hardly at all and the opposing team has significantly more attempts and points from the line, usually in the second half.

To illustrate my point the 1976-77 team accounts for the fewest made free throws (368) and fewest attempts (556 )in a season by a Lady Vols squad. They played 33 games that season.

So far this year we've made 183 and attempted 256.

In the last game, we had 24 turnovers, the record for team TO's is held by the 1984 team with 32 versus Texas.

I guess to you and most others that reflects on the coaches. I guess the opinion of the masses is that this coaching staff has gone away from wanting the ball to be thrown into the post, that they've forgotten how to help low post players get position and that they are in favor of continuing to take jumpers and threes when it's clear the perimeter players are having an off night. I guess the thinking is that even though the current head coach, who also just happened to be a guard herself is coaching the kids to turn the ball over and that the same person who racked up 141 steals in in 1978-79, still a season record, doesn't know about valuing the ball or give a crap about defensive effort.

Players have off nights, whether it's Michael Jordan, Candace Parker, the young lady at UConn...whoever.

But 99% of the time that I recall watching them play, it's etched on their face, they don't want to simply win they want to humiliate you and they sure as hell will carry the load because they hate to lose.

I don't think Pat Summitt, Geno or Phil Jackson did anything but inherit them, X's and O's taught, for sure, but competitiveness, will to win, overcome adversity...they led by example and the team got on board and the ones who can't hang, they are on the bench or gone.


That's what's missing. Players holding players accountable for their effort or lack there of. Graves, Carter and Deshields are either going to step up and lead or by Lady Vols fans' standards it's going to be a subpar year, maybe it already is, but there is not much the staff can do except keep their heads down and continue to teach.

That's my opinion and I understand yours is different.

It's bad form to call for the head coaches job in the middle of the season, said the same for Fulmer, Pearl, and Martin and it has a negative effect on the team which I know first hand.

Bad as it is, neither the coaches or the players are quitting on you, they'll be there whether you are or not. In the end it's just common courtesy.

OK. You got way too much time on your hands.
 
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