'26 TN OT Gabriel Osenda (Tennessee commit)

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Please know that your contributions to this board are greatly appreciated and not everyone wants a completely sanitized perspective on our program. Keep bringing all of the info, good and bad. We’re adults and can choose to react to that info how we want.

EDIT: looks like @cncchris33 said basically the same thing as me. I need to learn to finish reading the thread before posting 😅
Same here...😆

I tell myself that, and then still don't do it.
 
So do you.

I love the irony of posts like this.

What authority placed you in charge of monitoring Recruiting Forum toxicity levels? Follow your own advice and ignore it if you don't like it. Your efforts to control and censor what you don't like are futile. You seem smart enough to realize that.
I have given an opinion about the benefit of posts; not tried to censor anyone. I am looking critically at the supposed "facts" posted by anonymous message board posters. Critical thinking is rarely a bad thing.
 
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We just aren’t use to the insiders coming in and giving us more information/opinions then the usual 🔐 or 👀
 
We just aren’t use to the insiders coming in and giving us more information/opinions then the usual 🔐 or 👀
Like I said, I appreciate King and the recruiting info he's brought. I hope he continues to do so. But if one slows down and really considers some of the Elarbee posts, it gets a bit confusing.

He said that Elarbee does the bare minimum, but that bare minimum seems to have been a notable factor in this high profile commit. He says that Elarbee does the bare minimum, but it was apparently enough to create a relationship that the recruit values. He says that other people did all the work, but the recruit claims ongoing communication with Elarbee as a huge reason he signed here. He says he's not sharing opinions, just calling balls and strikes, but then says that he's just repeating the "sentiments" of other people. And "sentiment" is a synonym for "opinion". When asked about that, he doubles down.

And whose word do we take on this particular recruitment and whether Elarbee gets some credit for it? An anonymous board member that's partially admitted that they're basically just sharing the opinions of unnamed sources who may or may not have an axe to grind? Or the recruit himself?

Don't worry everyone. I'm done with this subject. I won't shake the anonymous apple cart anymore.
 
Like I said, I appreciate King and the recruiting info he's brought. I hope he continues to do so. But if one slows down and really considers some of the Elarbee posts, it gets a bit confusing.

He said that Elarbee does the bare minimum, but that bare minimum seems to have been a notable factor in this high profile commit. He says that Elarbee does the bare minimum, but it was apparently enough to create a relationship that the recruit values. He says that other people did all the work, but the recruit claims ongoing communication with Elarbee as a huge reason he signed here. He says he's not sharing opinions, just calling balls and strikes, but then says that he's just repeating the "sentiments" of other people. And "sentiment" is a synonym for "opinion". When asked about that, he doubles down.

Which part do we take his word for? That he's just sharing opinions of unrevealed sources? Or he's not just sharing opinions?

And whose word do we take on this particular recruitment and whether Elarbee gets some credit for it? An anonymous board member that's partially admitted that they're basically just sharing the opinions of unnamed sources who may or may not have an axe to grind? Or the recruit himself?

I have no opinion on the matter. I don’t really care at the end of the day.

I’ll let y’all deal with the posters, I did my time getting ripped.
 
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I have no opinion on the matter. I don’t really care at the end of the day.

I’ll let y’all deal with the posters, I did my time getting ripped.
Same. I'm out on this one. I've provided a critical, alternate viewpoint on it and it's up to each person to make up their own mind.
 
I have given an opinion about the benefit of posts; not tried to censor anyone. I am looking critically at the supposed "facts" posted by anonymous message board posters. Critical thinking is rarely a bad thing.

Based on all of your posts in this thread on the matter, you seem to be under some impression that KingVFL is almost explicitly responsible for any negative perception of Elarbee’s performance to date, and that if he would simply stop posting what he hears the toxicity levels would decrease.

Our fanbase may be passionate and crazy, but they can form their own opinions and I would surmise that most people that have a negative opinion of Elarbee has nothing to do with “insiders” and has everything to do with the struggles of the position on the field.
 
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Stick around. Some of us appreciate what you bring, good or bad. We're all adults, here...we can figure out for ourselves what to do with the info you bring. Some will believe it, others won't. C'est la vie.
This. Appreciate the input KingVFL provides to this board and has proven to be one of the most reliable insiders on here. People can make up their minds about our oline coaching but think everyone can see that this year will be key in seeing if we can actually develop olineman which remains to be seen
 
More than one thing can be true. GE could in fact be light on the recruiting side and still have the respect of one or more of his OL recruits, those statements aren't mutually exclusive. Not sure why that would be controversial, particularly given the number of OL fails and flips we've had over the years.
 
More than one thing can be true. GE could in fact be light on the recruiting side and still have the respect of one or more of his OL recruits, those statements aren't mutually exclusive. Not sure why that would be controversial, particularly given the number of OL fails and flips we've had over the years.
Wait, so you’re telling me that different personalities resonate differently with different people? And ALL recruits/players don’t have to love or hate a certain coach collectively?

Insert mind blown GIF here
 
Based on all of your posts in this thread on the matter, you seem to be under some impression that KingVFL is almost explicitly responsible for any negative perception of Elarbee’s performance to date, and that if he would simply stop posting what he hears the toxicity levels would decrease.

Our fanbase may be passionate and crazy, but they can form their own opinions and I would surmise that most people that have a negative opinion of Elarbee has nothing to do with “insiders” and has everything to do with the struggles of the position on the field.
If you'd read all of my posts, you'd have noted the ones that said he may be partially responsible, and questioned the wisdom of feeding whatever other factors may be at hand. Here's an example that was fairly explicit.

You aren't wrong. That's much different than him being "allowed" to do it. Sometimes one can self-censor, especially when it comes to gossip and trashing someone's work ethic.

But alas, the damage is done. He can't retract. It is what it is. Now we can just endure a board that went from rejoicing at the miraculous program rebirth, to bitching, crying, moaning and calling for coach jobs. (Not saying it was all King, but he didn't help.)


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And in my experience, people are most adept at forming quality opinions when multiple perspectives have been offered, which I have done. Quality opinions rarely evolve in an echo chamber.
 
More than one thing can be true. GE could in fact be light on the recruiting side and still have the respect of one or more of his OL recruits, those statements aren't mutually exclusive. Not sure why that would be controversial, particularly given the number of OL fails and flips we've had over the years.
What is more mutually exclusive would be that Elarbee gets no credit for the commitment, and the commit gives him massive credit. As well, that King is not merely passing along the opinions of unnamed sources, but is just passing along the "sentiments" of unnamed sources.

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IIRC back when Darnell Wright was playing for CGE, it was said that CGE was not great on the recruiting trail but once the players were in his OL room that they really liked playing for him. Darnell Wright improved greatly under CGE and he gave him a lot of credit for his improvement.
 
Yeah maybe that’s the lesson for me here. Just post good stuff.

Anyway I’ve probably said more than I should. Be well guys.

You should share it all. Maybe you have to hide it in vocabulary using florid language.
 
Stick around. Some of us appreciate what you bring, good or bad. We're all adults, here...we can figure out for ourselves what to do with the info you bring. Some will believe it, others won't. C'est la vie.
like hearing from king instead of most the bs from other posters. Good or bad still ok to me.
 
I will say that this really helps us with DGG. IMG has been trying hard to lure DGG down there but appears he is sticking with Baylor.
 
IIRC back when Darnell Wright was playing for CGE, it was said that CGE was not great on the recruiting trail but once the players were in his OL room that they really liked playing for him. Darnell Wright improved greatly under CGE and he gave him a lot of credit for his improvement.
Cooper Mays has, too. ALL SEC 1st Team this year. Although Spraggins had a nice freshman year in 2020, under old staff; until this year, he had gotten much better in each of his first 3 years under Elarbee. I think he had a down year this season, yet he still made 3rd Team ALL SEC.

John Campbell had a real nice season last year at LT, before he got hurt and missed the last 3 games. He only gave up one sack and one QB hit...in 530 snaps. Something many here hasn't considered about his 24 season...Taylor Lewan was asked one time how hard it is to go from one side of the line to the other. He said it's like writing your entire life with one hand, and all of sudden switching to the other hand. Add to that Campbell's injuries.

Yes, the OLine struggled to protect Nico this year (some of it being on Nico, himself, though); but, they also paved the way for the greatest single-season effort we have ever seen for a RB, the SEC POTY. We've led the SEC in rushing the past two years; and 2021, 2022 are two of the greatest offensive seasons (total...pass, run, pts), again, that we have EVER seen. Elarbee's OLines led the way for all of that.

And, regardless of how it's being done, whether Elarbee can recruit or he can't...we just landed the most highly regarded prospect...again, that we have ever seen in ratings history. Our last two OLine hauls have been very solid, and 26 is off to a really good start with Osenda.
 
I can’t really say more than I have so people can either believe me or don’t. My last post on the topic- there was a lot that went on behind the scenes that got us to this point with Gabe Osenda.

I do this for fun, which trying to prove myself isn’t. I’ll be back at some point I’m sure.
 
I can’t really say more than I have so people can either believe me or don’t. My last post on the topic- there was a lot that went on behind the scenes that got us to this point with Gabe Osenda.

I do this for fun, which trying to prove myself isn’t. I’ll be back at some point I’m sure.
I appreciate your posts.
 
I can’t really say more than I have so people can either believe me or don’t. My last post on the topic- there was a lot that went on behind the scenes that got us to this point with Gabe Osenda.

I do this for fun, which trying to prove myself isn’t. I’ll be back at some point I’m sure.

Don’t abandon the board man. Don’t let 2 posters with a vendetta against you run you off. Most of us significantly value what you bring. You don’t have to prove yourself. If you leave, the value of this board significantly deteriorates as then it just becomes grandstanding with no useful insight.
 
I can’t really say more than I have so people can either believe me or don’t. My last post on the topic- there was a lot that went on behind the scenes that got us to this point with Gabe Osenda.

I do this for fun, which trying to prove myself isn’t. I’ll be back at some point I’m sure.

Don’t go.

 
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