TN should be ahead of Alabama in polls

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Stephen Gray said:
See, you have a methodology, and I even like your methodology, but others might have other ways to determine where to put teams. They could have a different methodology or even just be doing it based more on feel than treating every decision the same way. Unless there is written guidance somewhere no one way is right. If such guidance does exist however, it brings in to question why one should have voters at all?
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I totally agree. There should be an established set of guidelines used to settle situations like this before a season is started. Just as tiebreakers are established to determine certain outcomes, they should be implemented for polls in advance. Eliminates any bias towards any team.
 
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s_wall98 said:
How does the Hooker injury play into things?
I have a hard time believing that it doesn’t.
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IMO, it leads to speculation that we are not as good without Hooker, (we aren’t), so they want to see Bama get into the top 4 over us, if the opportunity were to present itself. I say speculation because most people, inside and outside of UT players and staff, don’t have a lot of confidence in Milton. If we’re going to make decisions based upon speculation, Rattler should not have been the starting QB against us because nobody had any confidence in him either. Somehow, he got his act together and totally dismantled our defense the entire game. Who’s to say Milton couldn‘t do the same?
 
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C-south said:
People can’t realize that. The pollsters see our win versus Bama as a fluke and even if our loss to USCjr was it was too embarrassing to not drop us like they did.
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I don’t believe they see it as a fluke but a 1 point win at home holds less weight than a 20+ point loss on the road to a then unranked team. The sad thing is, without Hooker no way we beat Bama again if played on a neutral field
 
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jmacvols1 said:
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The CFP Ranking Committee uses 5 main criteria to determine rankings. By all applicable criteria, Tennessee beats Alabama and should be ranked higher

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This is about as case closed as it gets regarding what should be our ranking vs Alabama.
 
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I really don’t care. Finishing as a top 10 team is still awesome. We held a number 1 ranking this year. That is amazing. Fact is we still have growing to do. The team has to win the big games to be in the prime time and they will get there. I am happy with this team and the coaching. I have never been to games as amazing as this year in Neyland
 
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VolArmy74 said:
This is about as case closed as it gets regarding what should be our ranking vs Alabama.
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I like the way the CFP has a list of factors and I think there is a good shot we will be ahead in that poll. I also personally would have put us ahead in the coach’s poll and the AP poll, but if they don’t have guidance like the CFP then there are arguments I could see having some merit that has Alabama ahead. Like I said, I would put us ahead, but it’s not crazy if someone else disagrees.
 
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s_wall98 said:
How does the Hooker injury play into things?
I have a hard time believing that it doesn’t.
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As far as the playoff ranking goes, it shouldn't. This ranking is supposed to be based on what you've accomplished. Alabama lost its easily best WR last year in the SECCG and there wasn't even a question of putting them at #1 in the seedings over Michigan who had the same record. His loss was a big factor in why Georgia rolled them the second time around.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
I like the way the CFP has a list of factors and I think there is a good shot we will be ahead in that poll. I also personally would have put us ahead in the coach’s poll and the AP poll, but if they don’t have guidance like the CFP then there are arguments I could see having some merit that has Alabama ahead. Like I said, I would put us ahead, but it’s not crazy if someone else disagrees.
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The coaches don't care. They just let assistants vote most of the time. The AP is worse. Several admit they don't take it seriously at all. One guy wouldn't rank us in his top 5 all season long because he just didn't want to.
 
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Bama is, right now, the better team; however, based on the CFP criteria, UT should be higher. The CFP hasn't penalized Oregon and LSU for big losses this year but if they keep Bama ahead of us, they are penalizing us for our big losses.

The CFP has prioritized SOS; however, if they put Bama ahead of us, they wouldn't be prioritizing it.

The CFP has penalized teams that lost head to head but if they rank Bama ahead of us, they wouldn't be penalizing them.

The CFP rewards teams for high value wins. If they rank Bama over us, they wouldn't be rewarding them. Bama's best win is over a 4 loss Texas team due to a blown call...

Bama is the better team right now but if Bama is ranked over us, they would break every bit of precedent they have established....
 
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Big151Orange said:
If two teams have the same record and played each other head to head, the winner of the head to head should be ranked higher. Each game has its own unique variables that make it impossible to determine our loss vs USC was worse than their loss to LSU. Bama lost by one at LSU while we crushed LSU at their place. So if you try to use comparative scores, we have two advantages over Bama, our head to head victory over them and a much wider margin of victory over a common opponent, both on the road. Simply no valid reason to put UA over UT based upon real evidenc. Saying they would beat us if we played again because of our QB situation is nothing but speculation. At this point in the season, polls should be based upon actual games played, historical facts, not speculation on what would happen if…….
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Depends what has happened since there
Alabama encounter. Plus we lost our starting Qb. We should not be viewed as a better team than Alabama today.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Bama is, right now, the better team; however, based on the CFP criteria, UT should be higher. The CFP hasn't penalized Oregon and LSU for big losses this year but if they keep Bama ahead of us, they are penalizing us for our big losses.

The CFP has prioritized SOS; however, if they put Bama ahead of us, they wouldn't be prioritizing it.

The CFP has penalized teams that lost head to head but if they rank Bama ahead of us, they wouldn't be penalizing them.

The CFP rewards teams for high value wins. If they rank Bama over us, they wouldn't be rewarding them. Bama's best win is over a 4 loss Texas team due to a blown call...

Bama is the better team right now but if Bama is ranked over us, they would break every bit of precedent they have established....
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The good news is that the CFP voters seem to have some specific guidelines on paper that appear to favor us. If we end up behind Alabama in that poll we probably have an argument. The AP and coaches that are being argued with in this and other threads do not appear to have any guidance, and many subjective but fair criteria could cause votes in either direction. I personally give our head to head win over Alabama a lot of value and it is the tie breaker I would use, which puts us ahead.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
The good news is that the CFP voters seem to have some specific guidelines on paper that appear to favor us. If we end up behind Alabama in that poll we probably have an argument. The AP and coaches that are being argued with in this and other threads do not appear to have any guidance, and many subjective but fair criteria could cause votes in either direction. I personally give our head to head win over Alabama a lot of value and it is the tie breaker I would use, which puts us ahead.
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I dont care about the AP or coaches polls. It's either done by people who have never played (AP) or by some low level staffer in athletic department (coaches)...
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Prio to the South Carolina game Tennessee was ahead of Alabama in the polls. We got blown out and lost that position. It's not the fault of the committee it's the fault of the team that laid down
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Is it fair that CFP did not penalize LSU or Oregon for bigger massacres but will likely penalize us?
 
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EconVol92 said:
I hate to disagree with you, but I do.

Their loss to us on the road by 3 and an overtime loss to LSU on the road by 1 are nowhere near as bad as our loss to South Carolina.
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This. If we lost to SC by a few points then maybe I’d agree, but I can’t see putting them ahead of us after what happened last week. I guess that makes me a troll or something, but if it were reversed and they got blasted at SC, we’d be saying the same.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Is it fair that CFP did not penalize LSU or Oregon for bigger massacres but will likely penalize us?
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From what I’ve heard, the difference is the timing. Those were early season losses. I heard someone say that’s their rationale. Someone was saying that it was the first game with a new coach and QB for Oregon when UGa beat them. That’s flawed and inconsistent thinking imo, but it’s what some have said. I would counter that with saying that a loss later in the year is likely a game a team played down several key players due to injury, as opposed to game one when guys are fresh.
 
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