TN to use Fullback?

#26
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photovol said:
Coaches have seen enough and now know we have to try something to get this offense going. The read option works well with the right personel, but we don't have the right personel. Currently we are having trouble just completing pass plays, due in part to inconsistent QB play as well as route running and catching the football.
It appears Butch is not willing to change his system to fit the personel and this is causing the big debate among Vol fans.
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:eek:hmy: are you saying Butch doesn't get it?
 
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I mentioned and suggested this two weeks ago. I will say this: When we were a strong program in the 1990s and early 200s, we were a good running team--and we ran with a fullback/tailback. Like a lot of teams, we pretty much stopped using a FB several years ago (don't think we used a FB much under Dooley, did we?) and ever since then our running game as mostly suxed. It was bad in the last few Fulmer years, average at best during the Dooley years, decent the one year under Kiffin--that year we ran the ball better than we had in a long time. We used to have some big, tough FBs who would not opponents on their tails at point of attack. I miss that. When we had James Stewart, we would overpower teams with the run. I miss that! For the last decade, it seems like we mostly get 5 or 6 yards on two carries and we're facing a third and 5--if we're committed to the run.
 
#30
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gnm53108 said:
I dunno. They've been trying to teach em this power spead thing since spring...changing again a quarter into the season doesn't sound like a bright idea.
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I don't know how I feel about this.

I think this is the offense they should have been running against Austin Peay while breaking-in Jones' preferred offense over time.

If the coaches didn't recognize the strength of the team - and what we had to do against our schedule - I'm struggling to stay on the Baj Bandwagon.

I'll be keen to see what we can do when they have their players and can implement their offense.
 
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jps2194 said:
I would like to see some power formations and run the ball out of a standard formation. Especially in short yardage situations. Our supposed strength is our O-line, so let's play to our strength.
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Our offensive has proven not to be our strength so we cannot do as you wish against SEC teams. It might work Sat. though.
 
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I really don't understand this. This staff has had since January to evaluate these players (at least those on campus...not fall enrollees). And NOW....we want to experiment?

If Steve Spurrier can make Worleyish type QBs win Heisman trophies while at Fla, then why can't we play to our strengths from day freaking 1 (of fall practice)? $2M+ a year and you're 1/4 into the season and thinking about fundamental changes? Whats wrong with lining up with a TE on every play, a FB on every play and KEEP THE OTHER GUY GUESSING? Keep it simple. Heck, Alabama won a NC in '93 with a WR at QB!!!! Gheez
 
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utvols74 said:
I really don't understand this. This staff has had since January to evaluate these players (at least those on campus...not fall enrollees). And NOW....we want to experiment?

If Steve Spurrier can make Worleyish type QBs win Heisman trophies while at Fla, then why can't we play to our strengths from day freaking 1 (of fall practice)? $2M+ a year and you're 1/4 into the season and thinking about fundamental changes? Whats wrong with lining up with a TE on every play, a FB on every play and KEEP THE OTHER GUY GUESSING? Keep it simple. Heck, Alabama won a NC in '93 with a WR at QB!!!! Gheez
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LOL! are you suggesting that Worley is as good as Wuerfell? You would also be suggesting that all of our Freshman receivers have had the time to work out the precision timing that UF had with it's QB Receiver play back in the day.

BTW- I don't think anyone but the posters on here are suggesting "fundamental" changes. They may add a FB to the formation on some plays but they will not change what the foundation of this offense is. Butch has said from the beginning that there is much to be put into the offense as the team is prepared to add more.:peace2:

Oh yeah, please jump forward 20 years. This is 2013 not '93, let go the anger and let Butch do his thing because Butch gets it.:peace2:
 
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utvols74 said:
I really don't understand this. This staff has had since January to evaluate these players (at least those on campus...not fall enrollees). And NOW....we want to experiment?

If Steve Spurrier can make Worleyish type QBs win Heisman trophies while at Fla, then why can't we play to our strengths from day freaking 1 (of fall practice)? $2M+ a year and you're 1/4 into the season and thinking about fundamental changes? Whats wrong with lining up with a TE on every play, a FB on every play and KEEP THE OTHER GUY GUESSING? Keep it simple. Heck, Alabama won a NC in '93 with a WR at QB!!!! Gheez
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1) This isn't 93. Would you like to go back and look at some of the cupcake SEC coaching staffs Spurrier ran through back then?

2) Bama won an NC with Jay Barker who finished 6th or 7th in the Heisman voting and probably got drafted. I'm sorry that you aren't satisfied with the offensive progression after three years of sub par coaching (minus Pittman), and the loss of 80% of our skill players from last year.
 
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photovol said:
Coaches have seen enough and now know we have to try something to get this offense going. The read option works well with the right personel, but we don't have the right personel. Currently we are having trouble just completing pass plays, due in part to inconsistent QB play as well as route running and catching the football.
It appears Butch is not willing to change his system to fit the personel and this is causing the big debate among Vol fans.
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Glad they are catching on, I saw this after the Oregon game, but better late than never. Even Dooley knew th change the Offence to cater to Sims or Bray depending to who was playing, No I don't miss Dooley, but I do Miss Cheney.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
1) This isn't 93. Would you like to go back and look at some of the cupcake SEC coaching staffs Spurrier ran through back then?

2) Bama won an NC with Jay Barker who finished 6th or 7th in the Heisman voting and probably got drafted. I'm sorry that you aren't satisfied with the offensive progression after three years of sub par coaching (minus Pittman), and the loss of 80% of our skill players from last year.
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I don't remember UT being a "cupcake" back then.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I'm not sure we have the personnel to run a whole lot of power sets unless we march out 6 OL onto the field.

Right now Downs is our only TE who can block at an SEC level. The coaches have tried using Crowder as a blocking TE a bit, but injuries have slowed him.

Hopefully Bransiel develops quickly over the next few weeks to the point our coaches feel good about him lining up and blocking in 2TE sets.
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Watch the Florida game and tell me this lie again. Downs is an awkward blocker with horrible feet and no strength at the POA.
 
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I cant wait to see another lead block for our tailbacks. Having a fullback will improve our offense. Its about time!
 
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Giveem6 said:
Let me explain football to you. When you have no threat of a passing game the defense focuses solely on the run. That off balance in the offense allows the D to load the box every time with 6-8 defenders for 5 lineman to block. That is why the running lanes aren't available. Not to mention that our running plays consist of read options which end up always being sweeps or mid draws because we don't have a mobile quarterback.

Adding a fullback lets me know two things.

1. Bajakian realizes that it's time to change it up because our reads and mobility aren't there at qb.

2. They are trying to account for the D loading the box again and again to allow running lines via an extra blocker.

So you're wrong. A fullback is a great sign
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Thanks for the explanation buddy. I look forward to the yardage being cranked out by our new fullback! :salute:
 
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Dragon18 said:
LOL! are you suggesting that Worley is as good as Wuerfell? You would also be suggesting that all of our Freshman receivers have had the time to work out the precision timing that UF had with it's QB Receiver play back in the day.

BTW- I don't think anyone but the posters on here are suggesting "fundamental" changes. They may add a FB to the formation on some plays but they will not change what the foundation of this offense is. Butch has said from the beginning that there is much to be put into the offense as the team is prepared to add more.:peace2:

Oh yeah, please jump forward 20 years. This is 2013 not '93, let go the anger and let Butch do his thing because Butch gets it.:peace2:
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Tough guy behind the keyboard -

My point about '93 was that Bama won with a very simple offense; granted they had an incredible defense. You missed that point I guess.

Wuerfell was successful BECAUSE of the system he was in. I'm saying that UT can build a system around its QB to help make him successful as well....and keep it simple as Bama did.

As far as I know, I'm typing on a keyboard and quite incapable of preventing Butch from doing his thing. I don't have an overestimated sense of influence as apparently you do.
 
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tnvols106 said:
I don't remember UT being a "cupcake" back then.
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I didn't say they were. But some other schools that currently have great coaches had less than HOF staffs back then....LSU, SC, UGA..even Florida didn't really get serious about D until Spurrier brought Stoops in.
 
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I just don't see Butch getting away from his offense he will keep running it this season so he can make sure everybody is on the same page for next season. GO VOLS!
 
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Id like to see them line up in some power formations and hand marlin lane the ball 20-25 times a game. He is a very good running back, I think we need to get him the ball more in between the tackles, and see what happens.
 
#47
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I'm fine with CBJs offense, it's the old farts that complain about "traditional sets" and crap.

That offense works great when you've got a great QB and a set of WRs who can get open and catch the ball consistently. We certainly don't need to scrap the offense this season and I understand Butch has a process and he needs to keep the development of players within that system. But given the fact that he doesn't have many available players who played in that type of offense, it makes sense to use an I or variation some. 3 and outs are not helping our offense at all. Need to find something to sustain drives and vastly improve the
3rd down conversion rate.

Meyer at UF, Malzahn at Auburn, and Sumlin at aTm are the 3 coaches/teams that have had real success with that offense. The one thing they have in common is great QBs running their offense. Tebow, Cam, and Manziel. We need one of those types to be successful in the SEC in that offense.
 
#48
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Urban Meyer had to utilize a fullback after he realized his exact offense from Utah wouldn't work in the SEC. You gotta get north/south in a hurry in the SEC. Sideline to sideline won't cut it.
 
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Coach Jones' offense is really hard to go against," said Broncos rookie defensive tackle Derek Wolfe, who played at Cincinnati. "You don't know what they're going to do because they do so many misdirection things. A play might look like it's going to be pass, and the next thing you know they're running power. It's nuts. There's a lot of stuff for defenses to prepare for."

Sounds to me like CBJ is following his plan and putting in the next part of his offence.
Crawl before you walk, walk before you run
 
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