'21 TN WR Quenton Barnes

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cncchris33 said:
Yeah, I'm sure Dabo has an unbiased opinion on the matter. Amari Rodgers has never been more than the 3rd best WR on his own team in three seasons at Clemson, and he still isn't better than Justyn Ross, Joe Ngata, or Frank Ladson on his own team, this year. You're tooting the horn of a senior WR, whose career high in receiving yardage is 575 yds, like he is a can't-miss prospect. Cephus had almost double that playing for Wisconsin, of all teams, last season, and was taken in the 5th rd of the draft two months ago. Terry had twice as many yards and 9 TDs playing for a garbage FSU team as a SO and has nearly 2000 yds and 17 TDs in two years for the Noles.

But sure, let's get Dabo's opinion. 🙄
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The thing you're forgetting is his best yr might cm this yr because he was playing last yr and pushing himself to come back from an ACL injury. The comeback is usually 18- 24 months. Also @cncchris33 you can't compare a guy at Wisconsin/FSU to a guy at Clemson on a roster full of 5* guys. Just isn't fair due to the injury and systems. You also mentioned a key element about FSU being garbage and most of the time they were losing and were chunking it around the yard because they were losing. Clemson doesn't have to do that. They can go into Etienne mode 3rd qtr to end the day or if its bad enough they can bring in the back ups.
 
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de1conley said:
The thing you're forgetting is his best yr might cm this yr because he was playing last yr and pushing himself to come back from an ACL injury. The comeback is usually 18- 24 months. Also @cncchris33 you can't compare a guy at Wisconsin/FSU to a guy at Clemson on a roster full of 5* guys. Just isn't fair due to the injury and systems. You also mentioned a key element about FSU being garbage and most of the time they were losing and were chunking it around the yard because they were losing. Clemson doesn't have to do that. They can go into Etienne mode 3rd qtr to end the day or if its bad enough they can bring in the back ups.
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Well, the challenge was presented to name a Georgia 3* player better than Amari Rodgers. Terry and Cephus came to mind.

And you can credit his injury for a down 2019, but Amari Rodgers wasn’t a dominant player before the ACL injury, either, though. He caught 55 balls as a SO, but only averaged 10.5 ypc. Running mostly out of the slot, that tells me he isn’t doing much with the ball after the catch, most likely due to his lack of speed. He also doesn’t really have the size to do much else at WR other than play the slot.

And the system excuse doesn’t add up. The system didn’t stop Justyn Ross or Tee Higgins from piling up numbers over the past couple years. Florida State, as a team, attempted 33.2 passes/gm. Clemson, in 2018, attempted 33.7 passes/gm. So the idea of FSU playing from behind and “chunking it around the yard” as a means of artificially padding Terry’s stats vs Rodgers’ isn’t true. Terry, as a SO, caught 60 balls for 1188 yds and 9 TDs. Rodgers, as a SO in 2018, caught 55 balls for 575 yds and 4 TDs. They both did it on an almost equal number of team passing attempts.

Consequently, your passing attempts fallacy works against you when discussing Quintez Cephus, who put up 901 yds on 59 receptions with 7 TDs last season, despite Wisconsin attempting only 25 passes/gm.

And yes, his best year might be this year, but as a SR, that should be expected. I wouldn’t have expected a major bump in production this year, but his competition for catches got a little clearer with Justyn Ross’ unfortunate injury. I still expect Joe Ngata and Frank Ladson to take a sophomore leap, and EJ Williams is a freshman that could push for significant playing time.

Bottom line, one can defend Rodgers and recognize him as a good college player, and still admit that there are lesser-known and lower-rated players from a talent-rich state like Georgia that are simply better, that get lost in the load of talent in that state and go under-recognized by recruiting services for their talent. The same is true of Florida, Texas, and California, too. Diamonds in the rough can be found anywhere, but you are much more apt to find them where the pool is deeper.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Well, the challenge was presented to name a Georgia 3* player better than Amari Rodgers. Terry and Cephus came to mind.

And you can credit his injury for a down 2019, but Amari Rodgers wasn’t a dominant player before the ACL injury, either, though. He caught 55 balls as a SO, but only averaged 10.5 ypc. Running mostly out of the slot, that tells me he isn’t doing much with the ball after the catch, most likely due to his lack of speed. He also doesn’t really have the size to do much else at WR other than play the slot.

And the system excuse doesn’t add up. The system didn’t stop Justyn Ross or Tee Higgins from piling up numbers over the past couple years. Florida State, as a team, attempted 33.2 passes/gm. Clemson, in 2018, attempted 33.7 passes/gm. So the idea of FSU playing from behind and “chunking it around the yard” as a means of artificially padding Terry’s stats vs Rodgers’ isn’t true. Terry, as a SO, caught 60 balls for 1188 yds and 9 TDs. Rodgers, as a SO in 2018, caught 55 balls for 575 yds and 4 TDs. They both did it on an almost equal number of team passing attempts.

Consequently, your passing attempts fallacy works against you when discussing Quintez Cephus, who put up 901 yds on 59 receptions with 7 TDs last season, despite Wisconsin attempting only 25 passes/gm.

And yes, his best year might be this year, but as a SR, that should be expected. I wouldn’t have expected a major bump in production this year, but his competition for catches got a little clearer with Justyn Ross’ unfortunate injury. I still expect Joe Ngata and Frank Ladson to take a sophomore leap, and EJ Williams is a freshman that could push for significant playing time.

Bottom line, one can defend Rodgers and recognize him as a good college player, and still admit that there are lesser-known and lower-rated players from a talent-rich state like Georgia that are simply better, that get lost in the load of talent in that state and go under-recognized by recruiting services for their talent. The same is true of Florida, Texas, and California, too. Diamonds in the rough can be found anywhere, but you are much more apt to find them where the pool is deeper.
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@cncchris33 you wrote all that to prove my point. He’s the slot guy and Tee and Ross are the outside guys. all their slot does is intermediate routes. You have to know the dynamics in order to compare numbers. Another point you made was comparing other outside guys to a slot guy again Clemson had other GUYs these other guys were playing pretty much as thee outside go to guy. You’re comparing apples and oranges. Also remember everyone doesn’t have their best yr as a senior. His reasoning is he has been hurt for almost 2 yrs. he was a unanimous Army All American because he was an all world athlete who was a qb, wr, kr, pr, cb. He showed special flashes before the injury. He’ll do it again once he’s bk full strength. It’s hard for a TN kid to get this recognition and for them to get that over guys from other states should tell you something. I deal with this stuff daily and for over 15 yrs so I know first hand.
 
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de1conley said:
@cncchris33 you wrote all that to prove my point. He’s the slot guy and Tee and Ross are the outside guys. all their slot does is intermediate routes. You have to know the dynamics in order to compare numbers. Another point you made was comparing other outside guys to a slot guy again Clemson had other GUYs these other guys were playing pretty much as thee outside go to guy. You’re comparing apples and oranges. Also remember everyone doesn’t have their best yr as a senior. His reasoning is he has been hurt for almost 2 yrs. he was a unanimous Army All American because he was an all world athlete who was a qb, wr, kr, pr, cb. He showed special flashes before the injury. He’ll do it again once he’s bk full strength. It’s hard for a TN kid to get this recognition and for them to get that over guys from other states should tell you something. I deal with this stuff daily and for over 15 yrs so I know first hand.
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Jauan Jennings played what percentage of his snaps out of the slot, last year? And he was our leading receiver. So maybe Tee and Ross are just more talented and versatile than Rodgers, which helps explain their production discrepancy.

But, let's assume that comparing their stats might not be an apples to apples comparison because Cephus and Terry are versatile enough to play in the slot or on the outside where Rodgers is strictly a slot receiver. But isn't that damning enough evidence about Rodgers' limits? Positional versatility is going to work in favor of guys who can play multiple positions.

Tamorrion Terry will likely be a 1st or early 2nd round pick, next year. Amari Rodgers will be lucky to be a 5th round pick. He is small, has average athleticism and speed by NFL standards, and is pigeonholed solely as a slot WR with an injury history.

I respect your insight and presence around the game, but if you truly believe Amari Rodgers is a better WR than Tamorrion Terry, then I want to sell you stuff.
 
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@cncchris33 I get what you are saying 100%. And for s n g's I looked for some other lower rated WOs for more talent rich states and came across this dude:



Anyone wanna argue Amari is in his league?
 
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cncchris33 said:
The instate justice warriors fighting for the honor of all homegrown Tennessee kids keep going to bat for guys that our coaching staff doesn’t deem worthy of a scholarship.
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Curry, Mitchell, and Barnes are good WR’s but not studs. TN is done at WR unless its a cant miss prospect like Colzie. They wanted Wolfe not Briningstool. Sutton told people he didnt want the grind of the SEC. They like Turentine but he wasnt a high priority. The 2 instate kids they missed and really wanted were Colson and Pennington. Guardians won that one for Colson so cant fault TN for that
 
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Is accepting Hudson Wolfe’s commitment a major glitch in this cog of logic?
 
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butchna said:
That we pass on Tennessee talent...especially top 5 players. I know it’s not recognized logic because words mean stuff. 😏
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Just because they’re top players in the state of Tennessee, doesn’t mean Pruitt will automatically take them.

I hate the whole instate player narrative thing.
 
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coskramer said:
Curry, Mitchell, and Barnes are good WR’s but not studs. TN is done at WR unless its a cant miss prospect like Colzie. They wanted Wolfe not Briningstool. Sutton told people he didnt want the grind of the SEC. They like Turentine but he wasnt a high priority. The 2 instate kids they missed and really wanted were Colson and Pennington. Guardians won that one for Colson so cant fault TN for that
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As long as Willis is committed and Mondon/Kollie are still on the board, I still don’t consider Colson a miss. And Pennington doesn’t commit until February so I’m not counting us out there just yet
 
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