To all of those bashing Bray

#52
#52
Bray is immature and that has nothing to do with coaching. Saban would have kicked him off the team but dools couldn't afford to do that. Saban would not have made him have a better attitude.
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
wow just wow!! with any kind of decent defense we are a top 10 team this year...

Bray is easily the best QB we have had since Martin and manning...clearly he and the team threw in the towel against Vandy but do you really blame them???? would Ainge and Clausen had done any better with this attrocity of a defense?

Do you think any other QB in our history would do well when you have to score 50 + points EVERY game to win??? it's impossible for anyone...did you see how Mcarron looked mortal and struggled after Bama went down a few scores against Texas A&M...when your defens is playing poorly it puts all kinds of pressure on the QB and offense and mistakes begin to happen..

Derick Dooley is the worst football coach UT has ever had in my honest opinion and it's clear that none of the players want to play for him...no leadership and constantly throwing players under the buss for his coaching woes yet Bray our most talented and exciting QB in a very long time gets all the heat...you are all morons who bash Bray seriously...with a good coach and defense he is easily a heisman frontrunner....QB was not our problem this year it was all on Dooley's gameday decisions lack of preparatin and no defense....the worst defense in the history of Tennessee footbasll.....even if we had the current NFL version of Peyton manning we would still be a losing team with this attrocity of a defense...
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Top 10 team is really stretching it dude. Bray is a good qb. But the fact remains he hasn't gotten it done against top defenses. Your right the defense does suck but your talking about a team that got destroyed by candy.
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
You are missing the point!!! They quit because of the coaching staff.

Have you EVER seen any of Saban's players quit on him????? Dooley makes players want to quit...this is a fact.
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I don't care who the player is. Laying down should not be an option. Play the game because you love to compete and WIN. You don't win by quitting. Quitting on the coaching staff does not mean you lay down of the field. Let's not act like it was just Tyler who does this either. I can point to a certain receiver who hasn't given his all either. Now, we all have our off days. I just find it ironic that the figure head player of the team (unfortunately, the QB in this day and age) happens to lay an egg the past two years against possibly the worst opponents that UT traditionally faces. Sad, really.
 
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Casey Clause, Alan Cockrell or Eric Ainge would have won at least half of those games that were hanging in the won/loss pendulum during the last few minutes of the game (when the game was in doubt)... Bray's only success was against TROY!

Dood, where's your car?
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
wow just wow!! with any kind of decent defense we are a top 10 team this year...

Bray is easily the best QB we have had since Martin and manning...clearly he and the team threw in the towel against Vandy but do you really blame them???? would Ainge and Clausen had done any better with this attrocity of a defense?

Do you think any other QB in our history would do well when you have to score 50 + points EVERY game to win??? it's impossible for anyone...did you see how Mcarron looked mortal and struggled after Bama went down a few scores against Texas A&M...when your defens is playing poorly it puts all kinds of pressure on the QB and offense and mistakes begin to happen..
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Bray chokes when the pressure is on. Period. He did it when he had a better D. He's done it all year this year. He has the best physical talent UT has had in a very long time. But emotionally... he just doesn't have it.

Derick Dooley is the worst football coach UT has ever had in my honest opinion and it's clear that none of the players want to play for him...
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That's not what many of them have said. You just excused Bray's chokes by blaming it on the D... then let loose on Dooley? Dooley made a bad call in hiring Sal. He also made a bad call in sticking with Bray after repeated chokes.
no leadership and constantly throwing players under the buss
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No he didn't. He's honest. When a guy plays poorly, he says so. I've heard him say he had done a poor job and had made bad calls. I have heard him say his staff had coached poorly.
for his coaching woes yet Bray our most talented and exciting QB in a very long time gets all the heat...
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Bray is still on the team. Dooley has been fired. I think it is safe to say Bray has not gotten nearly "all the heat". And Dooley should have been fired. He had his chance. Now it is over. Bray should get the exact same treatment by the next coach if he doesn't start playing well in the clutch. The fact that Bray choked in EVERY loss was a major contributing factor to Dooley getting fired.
you are all morons who bash Bray seriously...with a good coach and defense he is easily a heisman frontrunner....
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No. Bray is talented enough. But there still would have been close games... and he still would have choked.
QB was not our problem this year it was all on Dooley's gameday decisions lack of preparatin and no defense....
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The D was poor. Dooley has not proven to be a good gameday coach. Dooley has made many bad decisions... and Bray is STILL a choker. Has been since UNC.
the worst defense in the history of Tennessee footbasll.....even if we had the current NFL version of Peyton manning we would still be a losing team with this attrocity of a defense...
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Manning wouldn't have collapsed in the 2nd half vs UF at the first sign of pressure. He wouldn't have turned it over 3 times with a chance to tie vs UGA... and so on and so on.

I sincerely hope the new coach is able to get in Bray's head and make him a clutch player. But through 3 years now... he's never made the big play to get a big win. Dooley was fired because he could not coach to get the big win... Bray is no better.
 
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Enigmatic_Vol said:
Casey Clause, Alan Cockrell or Eric Ainge would have won at least half of those games that were hanging in the won/loss pendulum during the last few minutes of the game (when the game was in doubt)... Bray's only success was against TROY!

Dood, where's your car?
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Cant believe Clause didn't win the heismen. In other news........

LEAVE TYLER ALONE!!!!!!!!!
 
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SouthKnoxVOL said:
Bray is not even better than Casey Clausen, so don't compare him to Manning and Martin. Clausen didn't have the physical tools that Bray has but he had great leadership skills and knew how to win, especially on the road.
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Not to mention Witten, Henry, Stephens, stallworth, Kelly Washington, James banks, and oh yeah haynesworth, Henderson, Simon, Whiteside, etc..... Come on man other than "its ok to quit because your coaches make you want too" pure qb play bray is among the best at ut. The man is right give him a defense and Bray has 10 wins this season.
 
#60
#60
Bray sucks...

Poor development by CJC IMO. If Chaney were worth his salt, Bray would be the 2nd coming of Drew Brees...
 
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leonardslosers said:
Cant believe Clause didn't win the heismen. In other news........

LEAVE TYLER ALONE!!!!!!!!!
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Damn TYPO!

I'd go with Casey Clausen over any UT QB on the road or in a feces storm. That guy was a winner against all odds.

I loved to see the press interview him... he always looked like he just got out of bed, with his hair messed up and he mumbled like he didn't have a clue. But on the field, he did what it took, even if he had to run, he had the testicular fortitude to do what it took to win.
 
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BanditVol said:
Guts and grit is what Casey had. And yes, he won some games he should not have. He also had the brain of a cat though. I prefer QBs to have....SOMETHING....going on upstairs. Did you ever hear Casey in an interview. LOL! It was kind of embarrassing.
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"The brain of a cat" is an exemplary compliment to Casey. It's an irrefutable, empirical fact that felines are smarter than dogs.
 
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pasadenavol said:
Bray sucks...

Poor development by CJC IMO. If Chaney were worth his salt, Bray would be the 2nd coming of Drew Brees...
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Bray's propensity to panic under pressure is not something a coach can do much about. Crompton had similar issues. Between CJC and Kiffin they helped him some... but he still couldn't handle pressure all that well.
 
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Clausen had marginal talent but DID handle pressure well. In fact, he played better under pressure.... pretty much the opposite of Bray.
 
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sjt18 said:
Bray's propensity to panic under pressure is not something a coach can do much about. Crompton had similar issues. Between CJC and Kiffin they helped him some... but he still couldn't handle pressure all that well.
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This is one of the wildest canards in Vol football lore.

Crompton '09 was as bad as Crompton '08 for half the season. The fifth year senior finally had the game slow down for him in the last two minutes of the Auburn game, and he went on to have a solid last half of the season.

Remember, this is the same CJC who has comprehensively failed to develop Tyler Bray one iota since his freshman year.

To the OP - We should not bash Tyler Bray. He has had no coaching whatsoever.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
This is one of the wildest canards in Vol football lore.

Crompton '09 was as bad as Crompton '08 for half the season. The fifth year senior finally had the game slow down for him in the last two minutes of the Auburn game, and he went on to have a solid last half of the season.
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Uh, no. Many in a position to know reported that those two coaches stuck with JC and worked with him extensively to bring him along mentally.

Remember, this is the same CJC who has comprehensively failed to develop Tyler Bray one iota since his freshman year.
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That isn't true either. Bray "read" nothing as a Freshman. He played pure backyard football and it worked against lesser competition. He could not manage the run game AT ALL. He has been brought along but at some point it is HIM and not a coach. The claim that he has "failed to develop Tyler Bray one iota since his freshman year" is stupid in the extreme.

To the OP - We should not bash Tyler Bray. He has had no coaching whatsoever.
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Bray chokes under pressure. No one should bash him... nor should they deny the simple truth.
 
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Uh, no. Many in a position to know reported that those two coaches stuck with JC and worked with him extensively to bring him along mentally.



And it appeared that Crompton reached the point of wanting to take coaching and improve. Don't yet see that in Bray.
 
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