To Protect and to Serve II

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VolStrom said:
So do you think making something illegal is going to make stupid people stop doing stupid things? As a former motorcycle rider, I was always amazed when I traveled to a state that didn't have helmet laws and saw how many people rode without a helmet flying down a highway at 70mph.
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No not at all. However if the officer during this incident didn’t stop to give him a warning for his stupidity, the guy could’ve gotten hurt, another student could’ve gotten hurt or wrecked his car, etc. it’s not a bad thing the officer stopped him and it turned out, also got an actual criminal off the street as well
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No not at all. However if the officer during this incident didn’t stop to give him a warning for his stupidity, the guy could’ve gotten hurt, another student could’ve gotten hurt or wrecked his car, etc. it’s not a bad thing the officer stopped him and it turned out, also got an actual criminal off the street as well
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Imagine how many "criminals" you can get if we didn't have the Constitution? What if you just had roadblocks everywhere? I bet you catch a lot then.

The likelihood of someone else being injured outside of the bike rider is there... I'm not saying that in a rare instance, that couldn't happen. But the overwhelming majority of the time, this guy would be the only casualty.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Imagine how many "criminals" you can get if we didn't have the Constitution? What if you just had roadblocks everywhere? I bet you catch a lot then.

The likelihood of someone else being injured outside of the bike rider is there... I'm not saying that in a rare instance, that couldn't happen. But the overwhelming majority of the time, this guy would be the only casualty.
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Again I’m not a fan of roadblocks and have never done one. But again the officer is doing his job by making it safer for this person and others. I know you wish officers would just ignore any stupid thing people do and never have a traffic stop ever, but it’s part of their job to end dumb illegal behaviors before someone get hurt too
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
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Man, I just heard somebody even more cynical than me about that video. He said that when it comes to body cam video of the cops getting in trouble, it's almost like pulling teeth trying to get a hold of it. But the moment they actually do something good, they manage to get that video out in a hurry...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Man, I just heard somebody even more cynical than me about that video. He said that when it comes to body cam video of the cops getting in trouble, it's almost like pulling teeth trying to get a hold of it. But the moment they actually do something good, they manage to get that video out in a hurry...
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Because current investigations prevent the release of body cam footage sometimes until the investigation is complete even because of state law.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Because current investigations prevent the release of body cam footage sometimes until the investigation is complete even because of state law.
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Interesting...

So hypothetically, if I am a bystander with a cellphone and I'm filming a police interaction with a civilian (for example like how the George Floyd video was obtained), then should those civilians run it by the police first before they post it on social media? I mean, because there could be an investigation that might be hindered if the video is on YouTube, right?

If someone posts a video like that on social media, using your logic, they are obstructing in a legal matter.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Interesting...

So hypothetically, if I am a bystander with a cellphone and I'm filming a police interaction with a civilian (for example like how the George Floyd video was obtained), then should those civilians run it by the police first before they post it on social media? I mean, because there could be an investigation that might be hindered if the video is on YouTube, right?

If someone posts a video like that on social media, using your logic, they are obstructing in a legal matter.
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I think the difference is it is police footage, and some evidence or information may get out that could hinder a possible investigation.

If we broaden your example then police should just be able to post any footage they take of anyone indiscriminately, just as anyone else does.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Interesting...

So hypothetically, if I am a bystander with a cellphone and I'm filming a police interaction with a civilian (for example like how the George Floyd video was obtained), then should those civilians run it by the police first before they post it on social media? I mean, because there could be an investigation that might be hindered if the video is on YouTube, right?

If someone posts a video like that on social media, using your logic, they are obstructing in a legal matter.
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KB5252 said:
I think the difference is it is police footage, and some evidence or information may get out that could hinder a possible investigation.

If we broaden your example then police should just be able to post any footage they take of anyone indiscriminately, just as anyone else does.
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it’s all public anyway as anyone can file FOiA or anyone can go plunk down $10 and get a while shift on video
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Interesting...

So hypothetically, if I am a bystander with a cellphone and I'm filming a police interaction with a civilian (for example like how the George Floyd video was obtained), then should those civilians run it by the police first before they post it on social media? I mean, because there could be an investigation that might be hindered if the video is on YouTube, right?

If someone posts a video like that on social media, using your logic, they are obstructing in a legal matter.
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Twitter wants to make it that way on purpose. I'm sure major news corps will have an exception of course, while their smaller competition won't. I'm sure twatter can be trusted to apply the rules to everyone right? They wouldn't pick and choose for whatever different reasons? Lazy mans blue font.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Can anyone tell from this article WTF this LEO did to trigger a TBI investigation? Cops protecting cops. Had this been a civilian, all of the details would have been out already.

Tennessee deputy terminated; TBI investigating
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Seems his chief talks an awful lot about his drug busts. My guess is he was planting to get those convictions. JMO. This would cause a world of crap with previous cases.

edit: read several articles, one time complaint evidence found immediately sooo that takes planting out of the equation.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Seems his chief talks an awful lot about his drug busts. My guess is he was planting to get those convictions. JMO. This would cause a world of crap with previous cases.

edit: read several articles, one time complaint evidence found immediately sooo that takes planting out of the equation.
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I thought I had posted my reply to @Rickyvol77, but i guess not. But what i was going to say is that there is some reason why they are not revealing what the issue is. They only thing i could think of at the time was that whatever he was doing, it likely involves or will have some blowback on other cops if it goes public... so they are having to cover up.

Having to re-address a bunch of old arrests over drugs would potentially put a lot of people back out on the streets and tarnish that sherriff's department reputation.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I thought I had posted my reply to @Rickyvol77, but i guess not. But what i was going to say is that there is some reason why they are not revealing what the issue is. They only thing i could think of at the time was that whatever he was doing, it likely involves or will have some blowback on other cops if it goes public... so they are having to cover up.
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If it’s illegal they are likely building a criminal case and can’t just release everything if it jeopardizes a conviction
 
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