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Why is this red state providing ATF info about financial records? Over straw purchases?

tim said:
Didn’t see local or state police in the article. However, straw purchasing is, and should be, illegal.
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Texas state Rep. Briscoe Cain, a Republican, is “deeply troubled” about this coordination with the state’s unemployment agency and federal government.

“My office will be looking into whether the Texas Workforce Commission is assisting the ATF in the Biden Administration’s mission to violate the constitutional rights of law-abiding Texans,” Cain told The Epoch Times after reviewing the emails obtained by Gun Owners of America (GOA) as part of its ongoing FOIA lawsuit.
 
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Again…. That’s a dumb thing to be upset about. I read the article, don’t care if it was a d or r.. It’s dumb, unemployment records do not require a sw. Providing records from one government agency to the next government agency is how most bureaucracies operate. Like when you get a drivers license in TN and get pulled over in CA. They can run your license to see if it’s valid.

Dumb thing to get upset about.
 
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tim said:
Again…. That’s a dumb thing to be upset about. I read the article, don’t care if it was a d or r.. It’s dumb, unemployment records do not require a sw. Providing records from one government agency to the next government agency is how most bureaucracies operate. Like when you get a drivers license in TN and get pulled over in CA. They can run your license to see if it’s valid.

Dumb thing to get upset about.
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So if you buy 2 guns in one month your entire financial status should be laid bare for the atf to see? No.
That’s crossing the line.
 
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tim said:
Again…. That’s a dumb thing to be upset about. I read the article, don’t care if it was a d or r.. It’s dumb, unemployment records do not require a sw. Providing records from one government agency to the next government agency is how most bureaucracies operate. Like when you get a drivers license in TN and get pulled over in CA. They can run your license to see if it’s valid.

Dumb thing to get upset about.
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Dude, you are triggering the ATF to pull financial records (without a warrant) over suspected criminal activity. Why don't you understand how dangerous that is?

Oh... I forgot... you are a damn blue lives matter cop.

May as well just allow the Feds to investigate any bank deposit to verify the serfs are not bringing home extra cash from selling unpasteurized milk or under the table home repairs.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Dude, you are triggering the ATF to pull financial records (without a warrant) over suspected criminal activity. Why don't you understand how dangerous that is?

Oh... I forgot... you are a damn blue lives matter cop.

May as well just allow the Feds to investigate any bank deposit to verify the serfs are not bringing home extra cash from selling unpasteurized milk or under the table home repairs.
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I don’t think you understand how investigations work. I agree with some of your arguments, some are shaded to depict the officer in the worst possible light and lack facts, you actually just changed the facts in this one. This argument is dumb and you come off as a loon by jumping up and down when there is nothing to jump up and down about.
 
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tim said:
Just like Ras, you add facts that are not included in the article.
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I’m not talking about the article, long time gun collectors are being targeted because they buy some very expensive guns and perhaps a few cheap ones. The ATF will go after them because they buy the cheap ones. The ATF is assuming those guns will be sold strawman. They use that assumption to dig into personal financial information.
You want your financials invaded because of a gov assumption? I certainly don’t. As long as I’m buying guns legally and keeping them legally the atf has no business in my life and should not have access to my financial records.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I’m not talking about the article, long time gun collectors are being targeted because they buy some very expensive guns and perhaps a few cheap ones. The ATF will go after them because they buy the cheap ones. The ATF is assuming those guns will be sold strawman. They use that assumption to dig into personal financial information.
You want your financials invaded because of a gov assumption? I certainly don’t. As long as I’m buying guns legally and keeping them legally the atf has no business in my life and should not have access to my financial records.
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link?
 
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tim said:
I don’t think you understand how investigations work. I agree with some of your arguments, some are shaded to depict the officer in the worst possible light and lack facts, you actually just changed the facts in this one. This argument is dumb and you come off as a loon by jumping up and down when there is nothing to jump up and down about.
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WTF are you talking about? And you still didn't justify how getting financial records without a warrant is justifies for straw purchases or a murder case or an act of terrorism or ANY other reason. The 4th Amendment is pretty clear. Do they teach the 4th Amendment in police academy?
 
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tim said:
I don’t think you understand how investigations work. I agree with some of your arguments, some are shaded to depict the officer in the worst possible light and lack facts, you actually just changed the facts in this one. This argument is dumb and you come off as a loon by jumping up and down when there is nothing to jump up and down about.
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From the article... where am I changing the facts?

In one of the documents, an ATF agent emailed the FBI that a person suspected of straw purchasing or firearms trafficking needed to be put into the gun background check database. The agent wrote that “per TWC,” the man’s “reported wage earnings with the State of Texas do not appear to supply the financial means to afford the firearms purchased.”
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So some random federal bureaucrat can pull your financial records based on gun purchases? And you justify and defend this?
 
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In one of the documents, an ATF agent emailed the FBI that a person suspected of straw purchasing or firearms trafficking needed to be put into the gun background check database. The agent wrote that “per TWC,” the man’s “reported wage earnings with the State of Texas do not appear to supply the financial means to afford the firearms purchased.”
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I see people all the time that look like they can't afford their home or car they drive. Is that soon going to be worthy of a warrantless search of their finances?
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
ATF Gains Financial Information On Potential Gun Buyers For Warrantless Tracking, Documents Show
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF are you talking about? And you still didn't justify how getting financial records without a warrant is justifies for straw purchases or a murder case or an act of terrorism or ANY other reason. The 4th Amendment is pretty clear. Do they teach the 4th Amendment in police academy?
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Dude, are they trading chickens for the guns? Don’t continue to make a dumb take even dumber.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
From the article... where am I changing the facts?

The article didn’t say bank records, it said the state of Texas.

So some random federal bureaucrat can pull your financial records based on gun purchases? And you justify and defend this?
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Wage records that show extremely low income for a person purchasing an abnormal amount of firearms is a good indicator. It’s not probable cause, however If I had to guess, some of the guns the straw buyer purchased have ended up involved in a crime and ran through E-Trace which put the straw purchaser on investigators radar and an investigation ensued. I applaud this, this is how it’s supposed to work.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I see people all the time that look like they can't afford their home or car they drive. Is that soon going to be worthy of a warrantless search of their finances?
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Y’all keep talking about warrantless searches…. Banking institutions require warrants, sans a SAR report, government agencies don’t necessarily. Tax returns are a different animal, but wage records are not banking records.
 
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#RedStateJustice
#BlueLivesMatter
#ThankYouForYourService

So to be clear, if you want to cut your son's balls off or cut your daughter's tits off, that would be perfectly fine, right?

 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
#RedStateJustice
#BlueLivesMatter
#ThankYouForYourService

So to be clear, if you want to cut your son's balls off or cut your daughter's tits off, that would be perfectly fine, right?

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What’s the full story behind this? Ex wife with custody press charges? Who complained to the police?
 
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