To Those already turning on CBJ...

[ImportedVoL]

You can not expect ANYONE to change the culture in his first year at a program.

By culture I mean the mindset the Dooley instilled into our players over a 3 year span. The mindset of a quitter. Dooley spent all three of his years here doing his best to sabotage our program and convince our players and our fans that it is "OK" to lose some games. That some teams just out talent us.. they are faster then us...we just cant win. Once your down a few scores, just turn your belly up to the sky and hope the rub it, instead of kicking the krap out of you.

CBJ is just as pissed over these loses as any fan in volnation. He is just as disgusted with the outcome of those games. Just as enraged that some of our players decided to quit and mail in the game as soon as we were down.

BUT.. he cant change it in a single season, You can't do it with a single recruiting class. Not when it was pounded into us as a team and a fanbase for so many years.

I saw Jones recruits still giving it everything they had as freshmen, trying to turn it around and battle to come back.

While so called "upperclassmen" and "leaders" decided the game was over and stopped playing.."If they even started playing to begin with" The younger guys can't do it by themselves.

But he is changing the culture. It WILL take a couple recruiting classes. It WILL take a few Springs and Falls.

And WE as fans need to help him out, by showing these recruits that we are not going to quit on them just because it gets a little ruff. Just because we get a black eye, does not mean the fight is lost. We are going to be there to support them while they fight their way out of the abyss.

If we can do that, UT will be back within a couple years.. Teams will fear the Orange once again.

JUST PLEASE don't quit on our coaches and players already... LET US lead by example. Let us show these players that this is what we expect. A never ending fight... if we can do it as fans, then you can do it as players.

All you trolls and Negavols.. Flame away, I don't care.. I will still be here tomorrow, supporting our players and coaches, No matter what troll comments you make. No matter what synical smartarse posts you care to make.

I am a VFL... that L means LIFE, Not until we lose really bad

 

[barney]

Who is turning on Butch Jones?

 

[GrowVol]

CBJ gets it and GOING to get more....just wait... Great post OP

 

[jasonvol18]

No real Vol Fan is turning on him.

 

[SALAMANDER DRAKE]

Who is turning on Butch Jones?

Some guys are, but they're still on the nip_le.

 

[vol2002]

For those turning on CBJ, please flock to this thread and sound off on him. That way, I know who you are so I can put you on ignore.

 

[GrowVol]

Who is turning on Butch Jones?

We will find out the next time we loose a game.

 

[cwbytruckers]

I'm excited about the future of Tennessee football for the first time since Tee Martin. For those of you that don't understand that. A quarterback with some wheels on him is important for the college game these days. Especially in the SEC with DE and LB that run like freight trains gone wild. You got to be mobile. And this recruiting class is insane so far.

 

[orangeblooded2]

To Those already turning on CBJ... If you think it's bad now.


Lose one of the next two and you haven't seen anything yet. Not that I will add to what comes.... just sayin.

 

[1972 Grad]

You can not expect ANYONE to change the culture in his first year at a program.

By culture I mean the mindset the Dooley instilled into our players over a 3 year span. The mindset of a quitter. Dooley spent all three of his years here doing his best to sabotage our program and convince our players and our fans that it is "OK" to lose some games. That some teams just out talent us.. they are faster then us...we just cant win. Once your down a few scores, just turn your belly up to the sky and hope the rub it, instead of kicking the krap out of you.

CBJ is just as pissed over these loses as any fan in volnation. He is just as disgusted with the outcome of those games. Just as enraged that some of our players decided to quit and mail in the game as soon as we were down.

BUT.. he cant change it in a single season, You can't do it with a single recruiting class. Not when it was pounded into us as a team and a fanbase for so many years.

I saw Jones recruits still giving it everything they had as freshmen, trying to turn it around and battle to come back.

While so called "upperclassmen" and "leaders" decided the game was over and stopped playing.."If they even started playing to begin with" The younger guys can't do it by themselves.

But he is changing the culture. It WILL take a couple recruiting classes. It WILL take a few Springs and Falls.

And WE as fans need to help him out, by showing these recruits that we are not going to quit on them just because it gets a little ruff. Just because we get a black eye, does not mean the fight is lost. We are going to be there to support them while they fight their way out of the abyss.

If we can do that, UT will be back within a couple years.. Teams will fear the Orange once again.

JUST PLEASE don't quit on our coaches and players already... LET US lead by example. Let us show these players that this is what we expect. A never ending fight... if we can do it as fans, then you can do it as players.

All you trolls and Negavols.. Flame away, I don't care.. I will still be here tomorrow, supporting our players and coaches, No matter what troll comments you make. No matter what synical smartarse posts you care to make.

I am a VFL... that L means LIFE, Not until we lose really bad

Does this mean we probably won't go 14-0 next year?

 

[Ksloan57]

Well said!!!!!!!

 

[MrBiggles]

I'm excited for the first time since Fulmer was here in 2005. I didn't like Kiffin and I hated Dooley. I like hearing Butch embrace the traditions and the likes of UT. His pressers set the expectations for his team why do you think that he keeps harping on about championship mentality, winning inch by inch and things like that. He knows what he has and he knows what he has to do. It will take him a few years to teach them. I found it interesting last night to listen into the Clemson game and the commentators talking about the Orange bowl where they gave up 70 points a few years ago as freshman and now they are winning more than they are losing. Give them time, they will make this team winners again..

 

[LA Vol]

# of people turning on CBJ - 3

# of threads about this - 300

# of times a day fans lambast other fans for not praising CBJ unconditionally - 3000

# of people sick of all the above - 300,000

# of days it will continue - infinity or until we win a NC, whichever comes first

 

[ReelfootVol]

You cannot spell UT without BUTCH !!!!

 

[ReelfootVol]

I like Butch.........wonder if we should sit the orange dog on the field while we practice for Vandy and Kentucky ??

 

[sjt18]

I'm not turning on him but will answer some of your points anyway. I HAVE criticized what look like some coaching shortcomings. I HAVE said and fully believe that they are not getting the maximum potential out of the current roster. This is based on a somewhat subjective but also somewhat objective opinion about the available talent. It is not "great". But it was a 7 win roster. Before you argue, ask yourself if Jones had a do-over could he have beaten UGA and UF?

I AM very concerned when the team isn't even competitive with teams like Mizzou and Auburn. Neither of those programs are far if any ahead of UT in talent right now. One of them also has a new coach.

You can not expect ANYONE to change the culture in his first year at a program.

Yes you can. Zook to Meyer was immediate. Nutt to Freeze was immediate. Majors to Fulmer was immediate. Sherman to Sumlin was immediate. Chizk to Malzahn was immediate. Dinardo to Saban was immediate.

When a great coach replaces a dud... more often than not their impact on the culture is immediate and profound.

By culture I mean the mindset the Dooley instilled into our players over a 3 year span. The mindset of a quitter. Dooley spent all three of his years here doing his best to sabotage our program and convince our players and our fans that it is "OK" to lose some games. That some teams just out talent us.. they are faster then us...we just cant win. Once your down a few scores, just turn your belly up to the sky and hope the rub it, instead of kicking the krap out of you.

If you believe any of this... you need help. Dooley did give up. He lost hope. By mid-season last year he had quit recruiting and pretty much quit coaching. I think he wanted out.

But he did not spend 3 years intentionally trying to sabotage the program or anything of the sort. If rumors are to be believed, he asked out after the '11 debacle and Hart convinced him to try one more season.

BUT.. he cant change it in a single season, You can't do it with a single recruiting class. Not when it was pounded into us as a team and a fanbase for so many years.

Fan base? You were wrong about a great coach's ability to change a team but now you think it matters what the fan base is like? You are reaching badly.

While so called "upperclassmen" and "leaders" decided the game was over and stopped playing.."If they even started playing to begin with" The younger guys can't do it by themselves.

If you saw that then Jones did right? So why didn't he yank the upperclassmen?

My only complaint with Jones personally is that he has not done just that. The only upperclassman I know of who has lost his job is Worley... and he deserved it less than several others that continue to start.

But he is changing the culture. It WILL take a couple recruiting classes. It WILL take a few Springs and Falls.

I hope so... but you KNOW this how? It ain't from results on the field. I ain't from consistent effort. It ain't from great defensive schemes and coaching.

And WE as fans need to help him out, by showing these recruits that we are not going to quit on them just because it gets a little ruff.

Few if any have "quit". That is nothing more than a strawman you and folks like you try to throw up because you can't answer some of the criticisms intelligently.

I have praised and criticized this staff. Never have I said Jones needs to be fired or anyone else right now. I have concerns about the quality of the defensive staff... but I hope you don't think my expressing them here will impact recruits more than uncompetitive efforts on the field. What do you think Jones spends more time trying to explain to these recruits.... performance on the field or what some fan says on a chat board?

Just because we get a black eye, does not mean the fight is lost. We are going to be there to support them while they fight their way out of the abyss.

So you have to close your eyes and sing kumbaya in order to support them? I don't think criticizing sub-par coaching is a lack of support or fan caring. This D staff needs to show improvement and that right quick or the least of UT's recruiting problems are what a few fans are saying here.

All you trolls and Negavols.. Flame away, I don't care.. I will still be here tomorrow, supporting our players and coaches, No matter what troll comments you make. No matter what synical smartarse posts you care to make.

I am a VFL... that L means LIFE, Not until we lose really bad

I am neither a troll nor a negavol. I am a hopeful person by nature. I regretably ignored too many failures of the last staff from the very start that should have been warning signs. This staff still has time to prove they belong in the Big Leagues. For the last 3 games, the D staff has not proven they're up to it. Hopefully that changes... because it MUST.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

# of people turning on CBJ - 3

# of threads about this - 300

# of times a day fans lambast other fans for not praising CBJ unconditionally - 3000

# of people sick of all the above - 300,000

# of days it will continue - infinity or until we win a NC, whichever comes first

^ This. Though I think your count of those turning on CBJ may be a little high.

 

[sjt18]

FWIW, Dooley's mantra in his year "zero" was that the culture had to change. Kiffin said the same thing.

So either it is something that was created by Fulmer and no one has been able to solve it... or it is nothing but coach speak for "blame the last guy".

 

[Special Ed]

You can not expect ANYONE to change the culture in his first year at a program.

I would argue that that's exactly what Bruce Pearl did. The change in attitude in Knoxville and environs was almost palpable from the moment he stepped off the plane.

 

[ReBellVol]

Remind me what Saban's record was his first year at Bama? It takes time to rebuild someone else's mess.

 

[92volalum]

I'm not turning on him but will answer some of your points anyway. I HAVE criticized what look like some coaching shortcomings. I HAVE said and fully believe that they are not getting the maximum potential out of the current roster. This is based on a somewhat subjective but also somewhat objective opinion about the available talent. It is not "great". But it was a 7 win roster. Before you argue, ask yourself if Jones had a do-over could he have beaten UGA and UF?

I AM very concerned when the team isn't even competitive with teams like Mizzou and Auburn. Neither of those programs are far if any ahead of UT in talent right now. One of them also has a new coach. Yes you can. Zook to Meyer was immediate. Nutt to Freeze was immediate. Majors to Fulmer was immediate. Sherman to Sumlin was immediate. Chizk to Malzahn was immediate. Dinardo to Saban was immediate.

When a great coach replaces a dud... more often than not their impact on the culture is immediate and profound.

If you believe any of this... you need help. Dooley did give up. He lost hope. By mid-season last year he had quit recruiting and pretty much quit coaching. I think he wanted out.

But he did not spend 3 years intentionally trying to sabotage the program or anything of the sort. If rumors are to be believed, he asked out after the '11 debacle and Hart convinced him to try one more season.

Fan base? You were wrong about a great coach's ability to change a team but now you think it matters what the fan base is like? You are reaching badly.

If you saw that then Jones did right? So why didn't he yank the upperclassmen?

My only complaint with Jones personally is that he has not done just that. The only upperclassman I know of who has lost his job is Worley... and he deserved it less than several others that continue to start.

I hope so... but you KNOW this how? It ain't from results on the field. I ain't from consistent effort. It ain't from great defensive schemes and coaching.

Few if any have "quit". That is nothing more than a strawman you and folks like you try to throw up because you can't answer some of the criticisms intelligently.

I have praised and criticized this staff. Never have I said Jones needs to be fired or anyone else right now. I have concerns about the quality of the defensive staff... but I hope you don't think my expressing them here will impact recruits more than uncompetitive efforts on the field. What do you think Jones spends more time trying to explain to these recruits.... performance on the field or what some fan says on a chat board?

So you have to close your eyes and sing kumbaya in order to support them? I don't think criticizing sub-par coaching is a lack of support or fan caring. This D staff needs to show improvement and that right quick or the least of UT's recruiting problems are what a few fans are saying here.



I am neither a troll nor a negavol. I am a hopeful person by nature. I regretably ignored too many failures of the last staff from the very start that should have been warning signs. This staff still has time to prove they belong in the Big Leagues. For the last 3 games, the D staff has not proven they're up to it. Hopefully that changes... because it MUST.

18 gets it more than 98% of VN...

I will add if they lose to candy or kent than they r not going to cut it at tn.. The next two games r defining moments for the best staff n america..

No excuse not to make it to a bowl game.

 

[MrBiggles]

Who is turning on Butch Jones?

We get Butchered for 3 more years and then a new coach will come riding in..... No way this is the "Best Staff in the country" :crazy:...

The SC win was apparently pure fluke... The signature losses are already beginning to outpace the signature wins... Losing next week will just add to the total...

Losing and competing against a top 10 team isn't a signature loss btw but the way they lost to Missouri and Auburn make them signature losses and a Vandy loss will be regardless of competing or not...

At this point I don't know if they beat Kentucky and the recruiting cookie jar will start to look like someone has been reaching in with both hands....

:disappointed:

Here's 1 for you!

 

[MFL]

Nobody turning on CBJ. Next year with his new recruits we should start to see his ability to turn Tennessee back to it's winning way. We all hope.

 

[terrypedigo]

Man been doing this now for 43 years if you can win 8 or 9 then every now and then play for it all be happy, this is the SEC we are not going to win 10 games every year go back the last 70 years if we can stay at 8 or 9 and win the EAST a couple of times every few years be tickled to death its going to get harder and harder in the SEC.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Remind me what Saban's record was his first year at Bama? It takes time to rebuild someone else's mess.

There are some who will just not understand this concept. They will ignorantly say what Malzahan has done at AUor Meyer at UF. Apparently those coaches had to follow exactly what Jones has had to.

According to some so called fans on VN, because Jones has not turned us into a top 10 team this season, he has underachieved and his ability has to be questioned.