Todd Golden discussion [split]

[Lukusw]

Did we just not live thru a 3-5 year time period where a large contingent of false allegations and scandals were made country wide? Hell didn't Tennessee just a few short years ago have a player get drug thru hell and his career sidelined because of false rape accusations only to be acquitted? I'm not saying the women claiming this happened are liars or attention seeking. I'm literally looking at this objectively and not allowing fandom to determine whether I think someone is guilty or not.

Do NOT even pretend that false rape accusations are EVER more than a drop in the ocean compared to actual rape or sexual assault.

1 in 5 women (20%) experience rape or attempted rape during their life. 1 in 3 of those occur while they are a minor. And less than 50% of rape & sexual assault is reported to police because it is dangerous and traumatic for the victims to do so. And because they face a mountain of scorn from our society in doing so.

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Statements like yours that I bolded above create the false idea that false accusations are widespread and common while the opposite is true.

You seem to harp on proof. Well, where your proof that the women involved were making false accusations? If you don't have it then shame on you for suggesting they made it up for personal gain. And if you don't think or don't know that's what is going on, then don't even make a statement like the one above, because we all know what you are suggesting even if you tried to "caveat" it later.

 

[Jaws]

And this ain’t your team’s forum so take your outrage to the Florida forums!

I’m not at all outraged, I’m dealing with the “outrage” of others. But Army wife told us all to knock it off, that’s good enough for me. Moving on..

Looking forward to today’s games - I’m taking TN and Auburn.

 

[JMSqb11]

Do NOT even pretend that false rape accusations are EVER more than a drop in the ocean compared to actual rape or sexual assault.

1 in 5 women (20%) experience rape or attempted rape during their life. 1 in 3 of those occur while they are a minor. And less than 50% of rape & sexual assault is reported to police because it is dangerous and traumatic for the victims to do so. And because they face a mountain of scorn from our society in doing so.

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Statements like yours that I bolded above create the false idea that false accusations are widespread and common while the opposite is true.

You seem to harp on proof. Well, where your proof that the women involved were making false accusations? If you don't have it then shame on you for suggesting they made it up for personal gain. And if you don't think or don't know that's what is going on, then don't even make a statement like the one above, because we all know what you are suggesting even if you tried to "caveat" it later.

you see we live in environment where we are innocent until proven guilty. Regardless if the social media mob or message boards say so.

The burden of proof is on those making the allegations.

If any head coach is sexually harassing students of a university or sending unsolicited dick pics to students, they need to be fired with undeniable proof that it happened. And it shouldn’t be hard to get the undeniable proof since it’s upwards of 5-10 individuals making allegations.

Regardless of your views on anyone because of fandom, the burden of proof is on the women to validate and present evidence it happened, not on Golden to prove they didn’t happen.

So yes, I harp on proof because those making allegations have only offered testimony to the media.

And i have been crystal clear on this whole issue the past 24 hours. I don’t need to caveat anything. I’m capable of being completely objective on things of this nature. Even if that means going against the folks who let their fandom decide when and who they care about getting a hissy fit about.

Only in sports fandom are people presumed guilty until proven innocent.

 

[vol94]

There are alleged "mountains of proof." The Florida student newspaper is claiming to have received personal testimony and proof from witnesses. All becuase the public hasn't seen the proof doesn't mean it's not there.

Maybe ask why Todd Golden doesn't sue the student newspaper for reporting false claims. Maybe becuase he doesn't want that evidence being publically subpoenad in court.

You’re wasting your time, my friend.

 

[JMSqb11]

You seem to harp on proof. Well, where your proof that the women involved were making false accusations?

You are clearly too emotional to discuss this matter. If you have to fall back on creating out right lies or making up words from thin air, you incapable of having an objective conversation.

Spoiler alert, I have never once said these women are making false allegations. And you will not find a post of me saying so.

 

[vol94]

My take is that Golden is probably a creep, not to the level of Hughe Freeze, but a creep nonetheless. Now, can someone please move these arguments into a different thread so we can move on here and discuss the tournament and the teams playing.

Good call. I’m done. Sorry for the earlier rant. I removed my comments.

Go Vols!

 

[JMSqb11]

There are alleged "mountains of proof." The Florida student newspaper is claiming to have received personal testimony and proof from witnesses. All becuase the public hasn't seen the proof doesn't mean it's not there.

Maybe ask why Todd Golden doesn't sue the student newspaper for reporting false claims. Maybe becuase he doesn't want that evidence being publically subpoenad in court.

Please link the reporting from the newspaper that shows they have evidence beyond the testimony they reported. I’m genuinely asking as I haven’t seen it and maybe I’m missing something.

So if the newspaper was given evidence beyond testimony, why would they not report they have received it and only publish the testimony under anonymity?

 

[vavolfan6]

Please link the reporting from the newspaper that shows they have evidence beyond the testimony they reported. I’m genuinely asking as I haven’t seen it and maybe I’m missing something.

So if the newspaper was given evidence beyond testimony, why would they not report they have received it and only publish the testimony under anonymity?

Just use some logic. Do you think the student newspaper is going to report anonymous sources against their succesful basketball coach without verifying at least some of what is reported? You are risking your job/education and opening yourself to be legally liable, for what? It's not like the student newspaper is interested in generating extra clicks for revenue.

 

[Delmar]

I’m sorry but a few mean words online if exposing and verifying these things happens is a sorry excuse when the overwhelming majority of people on and off line would support Golden getting canned for his actions.

Because that is literally the outcome here. Go public, provide the goods, and Golden gets canned for being a proven creep. Majority of people would support these people. Sadly the village idiots in media or commentators latch on to the small fringe because they are good for ratings.

And there are people who verified to know the women’s identity already. So let’s not act like the fan base reaction wouldn’t have already leaked identities.

Once again, the truth is sole focus here. If it happened and they can provide evidence, Golden will meet his maker.

Or the victims get paid off and NDA’s are signed and it all goes away. That may have already been done.

 

[JMSqb11]

Just use some logic. Do you think the student newspaper is going to report anonymous sources against their succesful basketball coach without verifying at least some of what is reported? You are risking your job/education and opening yourself to be legally liable, for what? It's not like the student newspaper is interested in generating extra clicks for revenue.

The student newspaper has no incentive to participate in a cover up. The admin and AD does but not a student newspaper.

I’m sorry but a student newspaper breaking this story with the goods is a big opportunity for them and the type of thing a student journalist would chomp at the bits for. This has been the case time and time again for most scandals at colleges

But like I said, can you link the reporting that they received evidence more than the testimony?

 

[JMSqb11]

Or the victims get paid off and NDA’s are signed and it all goes away. That may have already been done.

There are 8-10 people making allegations. It isn’t like it’s just 1-2 families that have to worry about blowback that last longer than a 3 year old’s hissy fit.

If there is verifiable proof and evidence that the head coach of Florida is sending unsolicited dick pics and sexually harassing female students at the university, it needs to be made public and he needs to be fired.

Now if these folks making the allegations decided on a dollar amount in exchange for their silence going forward, it’s over.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

you see we live in environment where we are innocent until proven guilty. Regardless if the social media mob or message boards say so.

The burden of proof is on those making the allegations.

If any head coach is sexually harassing students of a university or sending unsolicited dick pics to students, they need to be fired with undeniable proof that it happened. And it shouldn’t be hard to get the undeniable proof since it’s upwards of 5-10 individuals making allegations.

Regardless of your views on anyone because of fandom, the burden of proof is on the women to validate and present evidence it happened, not on Golden to prove they didn’t happen.

So yes, I harp on proof because those making allegations have only offered testimony to the media.

And i have been crystal clear on this whole issue the past 24 hours. I don’t need to caveat anything. I’m capable of being completely objective on things of this nature. Even if that means going against the folks who let their fandom decide when and who they care about getting a hissy fit about.

Only in sports fandom are people presumed guilty until proven innocent.

The women testified in the hearing. The photographs are submitted in evidence. All that has been reported. He was cleared of a title nine violation. He was not cleared of taking pictures of coeds and his unit and sending them to coeds. If the odds of a victim lying are approximately 5% (look it up) What do you think the odds are of ten unrelated women accusing the coach (of the school they attend and love) and gaining nothing by doing so? It’s just a dumb argument. Your crusade in protecting deviants in leadership seems misguided given the facts and who the actual victims are. This is my last post on the matter. If you’re still excited about protecting creeps, you and Captain Swampass can storm the airport bathroom to see if there’s anyone in there who needs an amateur attorney.

 

[JMSqb11]

The women testified in the hearing. The photographs are submitted in evidence. All that has been reported. He was cleared of a title nine violation. He was not cleared of taking pictures of coeds and his unit and sending them to coeds. If the odds of a victim lying are approximately 5% (look it up) What do you think the odds are of ten unrelated women accusing the coach (of the school they attend and love) and gaining nothing by doing so? It’s just a dumb argument. Your crusade in protecting deviants in leadership seems misguided given the facts and who the actual victims are. This is my last post on the matter. If you’re still excited about protecting creeps, you and Captain Swampass can storm the airport bathroom to see if there’s anyone in there who needs an amateur attorney.

If you can’t have an objective convo without injecting insults, you are not a serious person.

You are clearly too emotional and incapable of objectivity if your takeaway from my posts are a crusade.

I’m sorry your fandom clouds your judgement.

Apparently the consensus is Florida covered it up yet there is nothing stopping anyone from bringing the goods and evidence to public light that isn’t under the control of a biased Admin….. yet the issue is asking why it stopped there.

Bless yall’s heart

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

If you can’t have an objective convo without injecting insults, you are not a serious person.

You are clearly too emotional and incapable of objectivity if your takeaway from my posts are a crusade.

I’m sorry your fandom clouds your judgement.

You’re conflating objective with oblivious. The preponderance of the evidence is insurmountable here. Answer my question, what is the statistical likelihood of ten unrelated women telling exactly the same story and providing photographic evidence and him being innocent. I’ll hang up and listen Mr. Objective.

 

[JMSqb11]

You’re conflating objective with oblivious. The preponderance of the evidence is insurmountable here. Answer my question, what is the statistical likelihood of ten unrelated women telling exactly the same story and providing photographic evidence and him being innocent. I’ll hang up and listen Mr. Objective.

If everyone agrees the school covered it up and the testimony from the student paper includes the following statement, what is stopping everyone from getting out of an environment that isn’t tilted in the university’s favor? especially when you have 10 individuals involved.

“I think it is just a sick ******* joke that they’re all doing, within that organization, all the coaches,” she said. “They probably get off by showing each other the pictures…There’s something ******* sick going on there.”

 

[vavolfan6]

The student newspaper has no incentive to participate in a cover up. The admin and AD does but not a student newspaper.

I’m sorry but a student newspaper breaking this story with the goods is a big opportunity for them and the type of thing a student journalist would chomp at the bits for. This has been the case time and time again for most scandals at colleges

But like I said, can you link the reporting that they received evidence more than the testimony?

You are assuming they are choosing to cover it up as the only option. The reporters could have been privately reprimanded and threatened. They could have seen what they believe to be evidence, but do not have access to it or are not given permission to share it. The paper could have surrendered everything to the school only for the title 9 investigation to side with the school and Golden for any number of reasons. The school could have set up non-disclosure agreements with the accusers, leaving the reporter with no legal support if they wanted to try and fight a large university in court, etc. There could ne a number of reasons for the school's newspaper to back down from the university's interests.

Also, as I said, just use logic and read all the reporting availble. Either choose it's all made up with no verification. Or that there is some legitimate evidence to what is being reported. I'll leave it there and choose to agree to disagree.

 

[JMSqb11]

You are assuming they are choosing to cover it up as the only option. The reporters could have been privately reprimanded and threatened. They could have seen what they believe to be evidence, but do not have access to it or are not given permission to share it. The paper could have surrendered everything to the school only for the title 9 investigation to side with the school and Golden for any number of reasons. The school could have set up non-disclosure agreements with the accusers, leaving the reporter with no legal support if they wanted to try and fight a large university in court, etc. There could ne a number of reasons for the school's newspaper to back down from the university's interests.

Also, as I said, just use logic and read all the reporting availble. Either choose it's all made up with no verification. Or that there is some legitimate evidence to what is being reported. I'll leave it there and choose to agree to disagree.

The paper doesn’t work for the university but the student body. So who exactly is reprimanding student journalists?

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

If everyone agrees the school covered it up and the testimony from the student paper includes the following statement, what is stopping everyone from getting out of an environment that isn’t tilted in the university’s favor? especially when you have 10 individuals involved.

“I think it is just a sick ******* joke that they’re all doing, within that organization, all the coaches,” she said. “They probably get off by showing each other the pictures…There’s something ******* sick going on there.”

No one agrees about a coverup. No one needs to agree with the facts. They just exist. There are photos and texts submitted by ten different women. You don’t understand how things work. Just stop crusading for the creep.

 

[JMSqb11]

No one agrees about a coverup. No one needs to agree with the facts. They just exist. There are photos and texts submitted by ten different women. You don’t understand how things work. Just stop crusading for the creep.

“Crusading”.

I’m sorry this is happening to you.

 

[VolGee4]

He already has a defamation attorney and the accuser(s) have been notified of his intentions. My understanding is that Golden is more interested in holding the bs Alligator newspaper to account than the accuser.

You are in for a rude awakening. I will be happy if he files suit. Go for it. It’s legal posturing, but I understand why people like you fall for it.

 

[Flogballs]

SIAP - but if false, what is the suspected motivation of numerous coeds to invent these allegations?

 

[05_never_again]

SIAP - but if false, what is the suspected motivation of numerous coeds to invent these allegations?

Not saying that is what is happening here (in fact, I'd say that it probably isn't), but it would be to get money out of him and/or the University.

 

[Flogballs]

Not saying that is what is happening here (in fact, I'd say that it probably isn't), but it would be to get money out of him and/or the University.

Have they filed any other complaints/lawsuits than the Title 9?

 

[05_never_again]

Have they filed any other complaints/lawsuits than the Title 9?

Not that I am aware of, no.

 

[OrangeInKy]

I agree. If they were paid and NDAed, it's done.

It does, in my mind, smell like that because it disappeared completely. No further statements by any of the ladies after he was cleared. Nothing. No reaction that I've read. Silence.

If he really sues for libel/defamation then that tells us a lot.