Toddler Sings in Church 'Ain't No Homos Gonna Make It to Heaven'

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Volunt33rs said:
not being offensive to Christians but doesnt the bible say

Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22
If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
God says not be bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For "these things are an abomination to the Lord." 23:17-18
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It is a losing battle to pull selected scripture.

Do I view homosexuality as sinful? Yes. Do I view myself to be better than them based solely on that behavior? No.

I don't condone the behavior anymore than I condone lying or stealing, but I don't hate homosexuals. No one should.
 
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Volunt33rs said:
not being offensive to Christians but doesnt the bible say

Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22
If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
God says not be bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For "these things are an abomination to the Lord." 23:17-18
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Yeah, but :Christians" discount the Old Testament.
 
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Well revelations does say 'Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood' but i understand the bible is often interpreted by the individual
 
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Volunt33rs said:
Well revelations does say 'Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood' but i understand the bible is often interpreted by the individual
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Where in the new testament is homosexuality explicitly referred to as "immoral"?
 
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allvol123 said:
Eh...people don't really pay attention in church. Just ask Brack.
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I know this was a joke but I'll say this; I grew up in a religious household. My dear mother (I love her death) is extremely religious and took my sister, myself, and my younger brother to church every Sunday. I never questioned anything and just accepted it for what it was (Again this was when I was younger). About when I started HS I started to question my faith and belief in religion. It took me about two or threes years to finally be able to try and talk about it with my mother.

Needless to say one can not have a reasonable, intelligent discussion with people like that. I love my mother but I see what religion really is. It is used by corrupt and evil men to control the ignorant masses and has caused far more problems than it has solved. Humanity could progress much faster if we would ever finally throw of the shackles of religion.

Long story short, it is scary that as children we can not control what we are exposed to. Until we stop raising our children to hate certain groups we will never evolve as a species.
 
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therealUT said:
Where in the new testament is homosexuality explicitly referred to as "immoral"?
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I suggest that lust is immoral and they are put in the collective of this entire paragraph and also directly stated and named and deemed hellworthy of God's judgement

In the old T- they refered to homosexuals as dogs and romans contains :

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 
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Burhead said:
I know this was a joke but I'll say this; I grew up in a religious household. My dear mother (I love her death) is extremely religious and took my sister, myself, and my younger brother to church every Sunday. I never questioned anything and just accepted it for what it was (Again this was when I was younger). About when I started HS I started to question my faith and belief in religion. It took me about two or threes years to finally be able to try and talk about it with my mother.

Needless to say one can not have a reasonable, intelligent discussion with people like that. I love my mother but I see what religion really is. It is used by corrupt and evil men to control the ignorant masses and has caused far more problems than it has solved. Humanity could progress much faster if we would ever finally throw of the shackles of religion.

Long story short, it is scary that as children we can not control what we are exposed to. Until we stop raising our children to hate certain groups we will never evolve as a species.
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Hmmm...somewhat opposite here. My mom was very religious, but we never went to church growing up. Lived in the deep south and I think she viewed Baptists as very hypocritical and just chose to conduct her following of Christ from home.

I don't share your view of religion. Anyone can use anything for the wrong reasons. It is the people misusing it that is the problem, not the religion.

I love going to church as an adult and love what it provides to my children. I can't think of any hateful message ever provided by our church.
 
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I think my biggest beef with organized religion is that it tries to legislate morality and force beliefs upon the rest of us. If you wish to practice your beliefs, more power to you and I won't try and stop you. Just don't try and force your way of thinking on myself or the country. Keep it in your home and place of worship.
 
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Burhead said:
I think my biggest beef with organized religion is that it tries to legislate morality and force beliefs upon the rest of us. If you wish to practice your beliefs, more power to you and I won't try and stop you. Just don't try and force your way of thinking on myself or the country. Keep it in your home and place of worship.
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Agreed. I certainly am not a fan of pushing my belief system into the faces of others.
 
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therealUT said:
When children are taught to be like Jesus or to "be perfect as your Father is perfect" and also taught that Jesus/God punishes homosexuals eternally with the fires of hell, they are being indoctrinated into hatred.
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They are being indoctrinated anyway is my point.
 
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Burhead said:
I think my biggest beef with organized religion is that it tries to legislate morality and force beliefs upon the rest of us. If you wish to practice your beliefs, more power to you and I won't try and stop you. Just don't try and force your way of thinking on myself or the country. Keep it in your home and place of worship.
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Same could be said for non-Christians.
 
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Burhead said:
I know this was a joke but I'll say this; I grew up in a religious household. My dear mother (I love her death) is extremely religious and took my sister, myself, and my younger brother to church every Sunday. I never questioned anything and just accepted it for what it was (Again this was when I was younger). About when I started HS I started to question my faith and belief in religion. It took me about two or threes years to finally be able to try and talk about it with my mother.

Needless to say one can not have a reasonable, intelligent discussion with people like that. I love my mother but I see what religion really is. It is used by corrupt and evil men to control the ignorant masses and has caused far more problems than it has solved. Humanity could progress much faster if we would ever finally throw of the shackles of religion.

Long story short, it is scary that as children we can not control what we are exposed to. Until we stop raising our children to hate certain groups we will never evolve as a species.
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Don't only shackle my hands but my feet also.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Paul seems to be pretty clear about it in Romans, though some debate it.
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It has been debated by theologians for centuries; hence, I would argue that it is certainly not explicit. Many think he is simply referring to the practice of pedophiliac prostitution.
 
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therealUT said:
Where in the new testament is homosexuality explicitly referred to as "immoral"?
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New International Version 1984*
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1 Cor 6:
*9*
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders**10*
nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.**11*
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
 
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therealUT said:
It has been debated by theologians for centuries; hence, I would argue that it is certainly not explicit. Many think he is simply referring to the practice of pedophiliac prostitution.
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Saul/Paul is highly questionable to begin with.
 
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Gramps said:
New International Version 1984*
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1 Cor 6:
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Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders**10*
nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.**11*
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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And, the notes on that verse:

The Greek word translated as boy prostitutes may refer to catamites, i.e., boys or young men who were kept for purposes of prostitution, a practice not uncommon in the Greco-Roman world. In Greek mythology this was the function of Ganymede, the "cupbearer of the gods," whose Latin name was Catamitus. The term translated Sodomites refers to adult males who indulged in homosexual practices with such boys. See similar condemnations of such practices in ⇒ Romans 1:26-27; ⇒ 1 Tim 1:10.
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