Tommy Pharr

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altidore17 said:
Once again, not making an actual argument just complaining for the heck of it? Ok since you went here... Malzahn RUNS the offense. He is IN CHARGE of it. People doubted his ability to RUN an offense in college. They doubted he could be IN CHARGE of college kids. He proved them wrong. Does that satisfy your need to babble on and on about a football coach?

Coach Pharr would be successful at UT, very successful. It's all about player development, work ethic, and making players better people. Coach Pharr excels in each of those categories, and his record speaks for itself. Please keep looking stupid though, it's entertaining.
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Malzahn isn't in charge of the team.
 
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altidore17 said:
Once again, not making an actual argument just complaining for the heck of it? Ok since you went here... Malzahn RUNS the offense. He is IN CHARGE of it. People doubted his ability to RUN an offense in college. They doubted he could be IN CHARGE of college kids. He proved them wrong. Does that satisfy your need to babble on and on about a football coach?

Coach Pharr would be successful at UT, very successful. It's all about player development, work ethic, and making players better people. Coach Pharr excels in each of those categories, and his record speaks for itself. Please keep looking stupid though, it's entertaining.
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You should have quit while down 100. Youre just making it worse.
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I agree, Coach Pharr would be a great coach. Watched him all through the 2000's and up and i honestly can say this man can run a team. His understanding of the game makes him just as qualified as any other candidates. I dont care what these others say, the man can coach!
 
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altidore17 said:
Once again, not making an actual argument just complaining for the heck of it? Ok since you went here... Malzahn RUNS the offense. He is IN CHARGE of it. People doubted his ability to RUN an offense in college. They doubted he could be IN CHARGE of college kids. He proved them wrong. Does that satisfy your need to babble on and on about a football coach?

Coach Pharr would be successful at UT, very successful. It's all about player development, work ethic, and making players better people. Coach Pharr excels in each of those categories, and his record speaks for itself. Please keep looking stupid though, it's entertaining.
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Let's keep making a pointless comparison..

Did Malzahn ever leave a college job to take a high school gig? Leaving Baylor UNIVERSITY for a high school job must be the desire of all college assistants.

Based on your comparison, Pharr should have been offered a BIG-TIME college gig a LONG time ago.

Pharr has been successful at waiting for the area's young talent to change zip codes.
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Dang altidore! I went and got my boxing gloves outta the garage, I get back to find you've decided to throw in the towel.
I'm disappoint!!
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Although I know nothing about Pharr nor am I endorsing him, hiring Chris Burke would be ludicrous. No coaching experience at all, then hire him to run an SEC program is crazy.
 
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altidore17 said:
You said Pharr wouldn't translate into a college coach because he's a just a successful high school coach. Everyone said Malzahn would suck in college because he was only a successful high school coach. Malzahn has a NC. Chris Burke has no coaching experience.
So how does that make him a better candidate to coach than Pharr?

Do you have any real facts to prove your argument against Pharr? Or are you going to continue to backtrack because I made a relevant comparison to a high school coach moving into the college ranks?
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Move along here --- nothing to see. I have observed Coach Pharr from both near and Pharr and certainly is a knowledgable pitching coach and practices are well organized like a college team ---- very smart and great at calling pitches but -----------would be a horrible recruiter. His personality is not well suited to recruit young people imo and that is paramount to being successful. Contrast that with the Vanderbilt Coach and you get a flavor for my point. Burke would be a 100 times better recruiter and I have never met him -- so what's that tell you about Tommy's personality. Good guy -- but way too moody and introverted to be successful as a recruiter.
 
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Hobock said:
Let's keep making a pointless comparison..

Did Malzahn ever leave a college job to take a high school gig? Leaving Baylor UNIVERSITY for a high school job must be the desire of all college assistants.

Based on your comparison, Pharr should have been offered a BIG-TIME college gig a LONG time ago.

Pharr has been successful at waiting for the area's young talent to change zip codes.
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I'll play along for a while. Please note there is a reason why kids transfer to Maryville to play football and to Farragut to play baseball and a large part of it is the fact that these are schools where you recieve the best coaching and practice against the best competition. So Pharr = great high school coach, could be successful small college coach, not a viable option for UT.

I think we can all agree that every candidate that can be dreamed up would certainly be more successful than CTR.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
I'll play along for a while. Please note there is a reason why kids transfer to Maryville to play football and to Farragut to play baseball and a large part of it is the fact that these are schools where you recieve the best coaching and practice against the best competition. So Pharr = great high school coach, could be successful small college coach, not a viable option for UT.

I think we can all agree that every candidate that can be dreamed up would certainly be more successful than CTR.
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You said you were gonna play along then you agreed with me...:) I got nuthin for ya, fillmer.
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Hobock said:
You said you were gonna play along then you agreed with me...:) I got nuthin for ya, fillmer.
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What can I tell you. You were 98% right , just wanted to clear up that Pharr wasn't successful simply because of transfers.
 
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Back. Sorry I had to take a break and live my life. The only reason I continued with the Malzahn comparison is because you kept reverting back to it, so there ya go. Guess I shouldn't have fed the troll. Second, you think Coach Pharr couldn't recruit because he can't relate? I think he's relating pretty well with them when he currently has 5 state championships, and 3 guys in the minor leaguers, 10 guys playing major D-1, and 5+ other college players. And 3/4 of those players didn't have a ton of God given ability when they came to Farragut.

Chris Burke would be a complete joke. Just because you played baseball doesn't mean you can coach it, and he has zero experience. I would rather keep Raleigh for 10 more years than to hire Chris Burke.
 
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altidore17 said:
Back. Sorry I had to take a break and live my life. The only reason I continued with the Malzahn comparison is because you kept reverting back to it, so there ya go. Guess I shouldn't have fed the troll. Second, you think Coach Pharr couldn't recruit because he can't relate? I think he's relating pretty well with them when he currently has 5 state championships, and 3 guys in the minor leaguers, 10 guys playing major D-1, and 5+ other college players. And 3/4 of those players didn't have a ton of God given ability when they came to Farragut.

Chris Burke would be a complete joke. Just because you played baseball doesn't mean you can coach it, and he has zero experience. I would rather keep Raleigh for 10 more years than to hire Chris Burke.
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Do you honestly think that people like N. Delmonico and P. Pheiffer didn't have a lot of ability when they came to Farragut? Same with most of the others that I am familiar with.

Here's a summary for you again. Pharr - great high school coach.

Head football coach at UT -- has to be a great recruiter to succeed.
Head basketball coach at UT -- has to be a great recruiter to succeed.
Head baseball coach at UT -- has to be a great recruiter to succeed.

CTR is not a great recruiter - CTP would not be a great recruiter. Just as in football where there is way more to it than X's and O's and on field coaching -- same applies here. Again move along -- he will not be considered. He might make an good pitching coach at this level -- just not a good head coach.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Do you honestly think that people like N. Delmonico and P. Pheiffer didn't have a lot of ability when they came to Farragut? Same with most of the others that I am familiar with.

Here's a summary for you again. Pharr - great high school coach.

Head football coach at UT -- has to be a great recruiter to succeed.
Head basketball coach at UT -- has to be a great recruiter to succeed.
Head baseball coach at UT -- has to be a great recruiter to succeed.

CTR is not a great recruiter - CTP would not be a great recruiter. Just as in football where there is way more to it than X's and O's and on field coaching -- same applies here. Again move along -- he will not be considered. He might make an good pitching coach at this level -- just not a good head coach.
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Thanks again chief for pointing out the obvious, I think we're all VERY aware that those two are exceptions. As are Curt, Hammer, Tony, and Cade. Those are the 1/4 I left out. Let me bold it for you so you can comprehend better.

However, Kyle Waldrop isn't in AAA ball without Pharr. Michael Mckenry isn't in AAA ball without Pharr. Nick Williams is not the SEC caliber player he is now without Pharr. Joey Delmonico is not the SEC caliber player he is now without Pharr. Ethan Bennett is not the SEC caliber player he is now without Pharr. Michael Williams is not the SEC caliber player he is without Pharr.

Do you want me to go on? From 06-09 when I was there, he ran our team just like a college team. I'm at a D-1 college now, walked on, and our practices/workouts are not as intense as they were at Farragut, nor are the results as good. As for recruiting sure, he would have to get acclimated to it. But he is a very likable person to and easy talk to and be around once you get to know him. And pair that with his knowledge and lover of the game he could definitely pull top talent out of the state, and surrounding states.

But hey, what do I know about how he runs practices, his likability, and his coaching ability? I didn't go there for 4 years or anything. I'm sure you and Hobock are much more knowledgeable when it comes to everything Pharr.
 
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Hobock said:
You can't even keep up with who you're arguing with.

I've lost my enthusiasm for arguing with you,
dumbledore. Get some rest. You'll need it for your life tomorrow.
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Once again, you are making yourself look stupid. Quit trying to argue against something when you have yet give any reasons as to why he would be a bad hire. You haven't presented me with a single valid point other than he has never been a head coach in college which is pretty obvious. You may want to change your avatar so people don't confuse you with someone who knows something about baseball. Just a suggestion.
 
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someone touting a high school coach as the next UT head baseball coach has no room to be calling anyone else stupid.
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lylsmorr said:
someone touting a high school coach as the next UT head baseball coach has no room to be calling anyone else stupid.
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Our baseball coach is Todd Raleigh. I think anyone is better at this point, would you not agree? Pharr>Raleigh.
 
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People on these boards that go around bashing threads like these and making petty arguments are what make these forums hard to deal with. Let people speak their mind, you shouldn't call someone out for giving their opinion. If you don't agree, that's fine, but trying to make others look bad makes you look like the bigger idiot. It's a thread about a possible replacement for our obvious coaching problem, I'm sure there will be many more.

I've known Coach Pharr for a long time, he is a great guy and a great coach. Do I think he could be successful here? Possibly so, because the man flat out knows baseball and how to coach it and I also feel like he could recruit very well, especially in the state of TN. But to follow that up, do I think he would ever get a chance? Probably not, solely due to the fact that he has been in high school baseball so long.
 
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Long story short. We do not have the luxury of taking a chance in the next hire

No high school coach with no college experience
No career minor leaguer w/ little MLB time with no college experience
No NAIA coach
No Div II coach
No Div III coach

This job will require either a head coach from a mid major or major program (that had far more success than the "almost success" than Todd Raleigh had)

or

an experienced top assistant from a perennial Top-10 program in California, Texas or Florida.

I don't care if Tommy Pharr walks on water and taught the underprivileged children of Farragut how to do long division, hiring him may work but it is too much of a risk for UT to take. As would Chris Burke and as would Rick Honeycutt.

The only former Vol who would likely be in a future position for head coach would be Jeff Pickler who grew up in a coaching family and was at least an assistant at major college team. (I believe he is a major league scout now) Jeff's father Scott would be a far better choice than any of the fantasy picks I've seen here.
 
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fryeguy93 said:
Long story short. We do not have the luxury of taking a chance in the next hire

No high school coach with no college experience
No career minor leaguer w/ little MLB time with no college experience
No NAIA coach
No Div II coach
No Div III coach

This job will require either a head coach from a mid major or major program (that had far more success than the "almost success" than Todd Raleigh had)

or

an experienced top assistant from a perennial Top-10 program in California, Texas or Florida.

I don't care if Tommy Pharr walks on water and taught the underprivileged children of Farragut how to do long division, hiring him may work but it is too much of a risk for UT to take. As would Chris Burke and as would Rick Honeycutt.

The only former Vol who would likely be in a future position for head coach would be Jeff Pickler who grew up in a coaching family and was at least an assistant at major college team. (I believe he is a major league scout now) Jeff's father Scott would be a far better choice than any of the fantasy picks I've seen here.
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Dream killer
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NYYVol said:
Not sure why that's so hard to see. No need to give the keys to someone who hasn't coached a single college game.
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That is your objection? Because he's only been a pitching coach, but not a head coach? If all schools used your logic of only hiring coaches with previous college head coaching experience, there would be many schools without a head coach right now.

So does it make more sense to hire someone who has never coached at any level like Burke? I'm not sure if people realize this, but no proven coach is going to want to come to UT. And I never said Pharr was even going to get a serious look. What I said was I, personally, would love to see him get a look; because I think he could be very successful here.
 
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altidore17 said:
That is your objection? Because he's only been a pitching coach, but not a head coach? If all schools used your logic of only hiring coaches with previous college head coaching experience, there would be many schools without a head coach right now.

So does it make more sense to hire someone who has never coached at any level like Burke? I'm not sure if people realize this, but no proven coach is going to want to come to UT. And I never said Pharr was even going to get a serious look. What I said was I, personally, would love to see him get a look; because I think he could be very successful here.
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I would love for my high school coach to get the UT job. I have some eligibility left..:)
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fryeguy93 said:
Long story short. We do not have the luxury of taking a chance in the next hire

No high school coach with no college experience
No career minor leaguer w/ little MLB time with no college experience
No NAIA coach
No Div II coach
No Div III coach

This job will require either a head coach from a mid major or major program (that had far more success than the "almost success" than Todd Raleigh had)

or

an experienced top assistant from a perennial Top-10 program in California, Texas or Florida.

I don't care if Tommy Pharr walks on water and taught the underprivileged children of Farragut how to do long division, hiring him may work but it is too much of a risk for UT to take. As would Chris Burke and as would Rick Honeycutt.

The only former Vol who would likely be in a future position for head coach would be Jeff Pickler who grew up in a coaching family and was at least an assistant at major college team. (I believe he is a major league scout now) Jeff's father Scott would be a far better choice than any of the fantasy picks I've seen here.
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Believe me, I would love for a proven mid-major head coach/high major assistant to walk through the door and say "I want the UT job, I'm going to turn this thing around", but guess what? Ain't gonna happen. Mike Hamilton is still our AD, and last time I checked he doesn't hire proven coaches.

Definitely not saying he hires high school coaches, but I'm sure he will get a coach that leaves everyone scratching their heads unfortunately.
 
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