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#178
#178
DeerPark12 said:
Westbrook is likely gone regardless. Her family’s issues with Tennessee are much deeper than the coaching staff. They’ve found fault with everyone from the Chancelor to the janitor.

I was very surprised that she did not move on after last season and even more surprised when she didn’t follow Hayes when that situation unfolded.

Holly is far from blameless in the situation, but getting rid of all the unhappy people sometimes goes both ways.
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What did the chancellor do??
 
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sccshortstop said:
Ok now I remember Hayes. Was she and Evina an item or something?
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No. But they had similar issues with following through on the things that were expected of them as student-athletes. The coaching staff is complicit in not addressing those situations completely and swiftly early enough. But when one player reached the last straw, I was very surprised the other did not.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Which starters do you think that would be? Cheridene and Meme graduate, so that leaves a pool of Evina, Rennia and Mimi. I could see Mimi leaving in protest of Holly's dismissal, but can't imagine Evina or Rennia being in her corner...especially Evina.
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It could mean either Holly is staying and Westbrook and Davis are gone, or Holly is leaving and Collins and Green are gone.

Honestly I think she's gone, but time will tell.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
No. But they had similar issues with following through on the things that were expected of them as student-athletes. The coaching staff is complicit in not addressing those situations completely and swiftly early enough. But when one player reached the last straw, I was very surprised the other did not.
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Thanks so much and did not know about EW. I do remember her missing a game for some violation this year.
 
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volman128 said:
It could mean either Holly is staying and Westbrook and Davis are gone, or Holly is leaving and Collins and Green are gone.

Honestly I think she's gone, but time will tell.
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I can't imagine Green being a Holly supporter. I'd think that Collins, Massengill, Burrell or Kushkituah would be the players backing Holly.
 
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Amb3096 said:
I can't imagine Green being a Holly supporter. I'd think that Collins, Massengill, Burrell or Kushkituah would be the players backing Holly.
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And I mostly agree and not sure about Davis. Holly stuck with her when I would not when she was so unconcerned and lazy looking.
 
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sccshortstop said:
And I mostly agree and not sure about Davis. Holly stuck with her when I would not when she was so unconcerned and lazy looking.
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Rennia is a smart girl, and must know that she's tightening the noose around her own neck the longer she stays under Holly.
 
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Amb3096 said:
I can't imagine Green being a Holly supporter. I'd think that Collins, Massengill, Burrell or Kushkituah would be the players backing Holly.
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It's been rumored for a while that Green and Collins would follow Holly if she was fired.

Honestly, exodus from the program after a coach is fired is just part of the solution. It's painful but it is what it is. And it's gotten so bad that it's going to happen either way because some players want to play for her (the younger ones who are still naive) and some don't, so there will likely be exodus either way.

And yes, players with problematic parents like Westbrook's typically never work out for a program. Hayes' and Cooper's parents were problematic, too, although in the end they weren't the cause of them leaving.

TBH, I'm shocked Westbrook ever picked here. She would've been an AA at a school that actually runs a real offense, like Oregon or ND, who were on her final list. Not to mention, had she picked ND she would have a NC ring.
 
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volman128 said:
It's been rumored for a while that Green and Collins would follow Holly if she was fired.

Honestly, exodus from the program after a coach is fired is just part of the solution. It's painful but it is what it is. And it's gotten so bad that it's going to happen either way because some players want to play for her (the younger ones who are still naive) and some don't, so there will likely be exodus either way.

And yes, players with problematic parents like Westbrook's typically never work out for a program. Hayes' and Cooper's parents were problematic, too, although in the end they weren't the cause of them leaving.

TBH, I'm shocked Westbrook ever picked here. She would've been an AA at a school that actually runs a real offense, like Oregon or ND, who were on her final list. Not to mention, had she picked ND she would have a NC ring.
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I remember hearing EW explain why she chose the LVs. She said that the girls from Oregon had nothing to do with but she went to the arena and set a long time thinking. She said she saw all the great LV jerseys retired and hanging and thought hers would fit there nicely. Oh how the world turns.
 
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volman128 said:
It's been rumored for a while that Green and Collins would follow Holly if she was fired.
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I find this mind boggling. Do those girls think that any other school would be stupid enough to hire Holly as their coach 😂? They're either gluttons for punishment, or happy to be losers. Have fun playing at...well, the YMCA
 
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Unintentionally (maybe not lol) Westbrook has backed Tennessee into a corner. If they allow Holly to come back knowing significant transfers are coming they are essentially committing to 2-3 more years because next year will be a dud. You aren’t gonna bring her back with half her roster departing, her team blows, and then say oh well fire you now.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
Unintentionally (maybe not lol) Westbrook has backed Tennessee into a corner. If they allow Holly to come back knowing significant transfers are coming they are essentially committing to 2-3 more years because next year will be a dud. You aren’t gonna bring her back with half her roster departing, her team blows, and then say oh well fire you now.
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I have said many times I thought she would get one more. Now with all the sh** thrown against the wall Fulmer I think has to make a change. Brenda Freeze is officially out of the tourney so can start with her . Wes Moore has probably one more game and it looks like Kellie may get one more as well. Get done now and let the quitters go to the transfer portal or free agency if you will!!!!
 
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I wish Holly would get fired and let the chips fall where they may. Let Green, Collins, and even Horston follow her or whatever. I'm hearing things about this bootcamp Holly is starting for the team in October, but unless she either learns offense (hint - go hang out with the coaches at Golden State or San Antonio), or hires an assistant with any kind of knowledge on how to teach offense and defense, and it will never get better.

I say cut our losses, let the kids who want to go, go, and start fresh. There are so many coaches out there who seem to run offense light years ahead of ours - I don't care if they come from a mid-major program or not. Fargas is not the answer and Harper was a disaster at NC State. In fairness, she's done great at Missouri State so maybe give her a look. But come on - even a casual fan can tell the difference between good motion offense and the sh!t Holly teaches these kids.
 
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volman128 said:
It's been rumored for a while that Green and Collins would follow Holly if she was fired.

Honestly, exodus from the program after a coach is fired is just part of the solution. It's painful but it is what it is. And it's gotten so bad that it's going to happen either way because some players want to play for her (the younger ones who are still naive) and some don't, so there will likely be exodus either way.

And yes, players with problematic parents like Westbrook's typically never work out for a program. Hayes' and Cooper's parents were problematic, too, although in the end they weren't the cause of them leaving.

TBH, I'm shocked Westbrook ever picked here. She would've been an AA at a school that actually runs a real offense, like Oregon or ND, who were on her final list. Not to mention, had she picked ND she would have a NC ring.
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Where are Green and Collins going to follow Holly to? The honorary job for the fired VFL office? The retirement home? Or maybe just out the door somewhere? Unlikely Holly lands another real coaching job they could follow her to.

I agree some player turnover is likely since the situation has dragged on so much longer and become so much uglier than it should have. And for this I blame both CHW and PF.

Dear God, the agony of a promising player who effed up her choice of program so thoroughly she's stuck in this den of pestulance as opposed to enjoying the ride at Notre Dame! No wonder she and her parents are a little nuts by now.
 
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Sorry, I meant follow Holly away from UT, not follow her to another program. I just re-read that line and I realized it reads differently from how I intended. lol

Holly will never coach anywhere else, both by choice and by necessity.
 
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