Top 50 QB's in the BCS Era

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I went back and looked again and Tee Martins numbers are right up there with Michael Vicks if not better in some respects. Vick has about 700 yards more rushing but TM has a NC win.

6. Michael Vick, Virginia Tech (1999-00)
Stats: 3,299 yds, 21 TD, 11 INT, 1,299 yds, 17 TD

Tee Martins numbers
4,592 yards, 32 TD, 16 INT's, 600 yards and 16 TD's
 
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I dont have a problem with AJ being in the top 10. If he wins another NC than he could be #1. It would be hard to come up with someone better with a better resume, 3 NC's is hard to beat.
That being said---I dont care were Tee is ranked but he should be on the list. Do you agree with that? GBO
 
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Comparing Martin and Leak really isn't the point. Leak absolutely should be on the list, but so should Martin.

And for anyone who doesn't think McCarron should be ranked that high, you need to take off your orange colored glasses.
 
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LEATHERHEAD VOL said:
I dont have a problem with AJ being in the top 10. If he wins another NC than he could be #1. It would be hard to come up with someone better with a better resume, 3 NC's is hard to beat.
That being said---I dont care were Tee is ranked but he should be on the list. Do you agree with that? GBO
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Absolutely he should.
 
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Here's the question: Are we talking about their ability, or their career? Because McCarron easily has a top 10 career, but he's nowhere near top 10 in ability. I'd easily take Bradford, McCoy, Wilson, Newton, Couch, Manning, Smith, Manziel, and even Barkley.
 
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zjcvols said:
Here's the question: Are we talking about their ability, or their career? Because McCarron easily has a top 10 career, but he's nowhere near top 10 in ability. I'd easily take Bradford, McCoy, Wilson, Newton, Couch, Manning, Smith, Manziel, and even Barkley.
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Career imo...what's the point otherwise?
 
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The ability vs career argument is so stupid.

Either you did or you didn't. The only 'ability' that matters was whether or not you were 'able' to win.
 
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#39
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Pretty atrocious that Tee isn't on there. Hell you could almost argue Ainge and/or Casey should be on there based on many of the names listed. Nonetheless, the article does pretty well in listing out some of the great qb's of the BCS era
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
And as a Gator fan, I'm glad that QB played at UT for four years, and went winless against my school.

By "significant snaps" you mean 3rd/4th and short situations where Leak's handoff skills weren't showcased...got it.

To suggest that Tee Martin's career during the BCS era was more impressive than Chris Leak's career is nonsense. There is no objective comparison of the two that would yield such a conclusion.
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Peyton would have started at UF over Wuerfful, Grossman, Leak, Tebow - all those guys. That was my point. If Peyton and Leak had been freshmen together at the same school, Leak probably would have eventually transferred out. So, you can't say Leak>Tee, because he managed to start more games.

Maybe my memory of the 2006 season is faulty, but I seem to recall Tebow checking in on some key red zone drives for more than just short-yardage situations. I was actually a UF grad student and made every 2006 game, except for @Vandy and the BCS title game. At the very least, I think it's very fair to say that Leak would not have won an NC if Tebow had not been available to convert those short-yardage situations. Tebow was particularly instrumental in the Tennessee and South Carolina games in 2006. Those are probably losses without Tebow.

I agree that there's no perfect way to compare Leak's NC career to Tee's NC career, but I think it's nonsense for Leak to be in the Top 20 while Tee misses the Top 75. They're basically saying that Leak was head and shoulders above Tee. They're saying it wasn't even close. That's ridiculous.

My intention here isn't to slam Leak. I'm not saying he wasn't good or that he didn't contribute to that NC. I recall his GW TD drive at FSU. I'm just saying it's really goofy for him to be ranked so far above Tee, and I think the current state of Tennessee Football affected those subjective rankings. We're not viewed as a top program, so our players are getting devalued.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
And?

Don't confuse Tee Martin managing UT's offense to an undefeated season (when Al Wilson's defense did the heavy lifting) with Tee Martin having an overall better career than Chris Leak.
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As if the Gator defense wasn't doing the heavy lifting in 2006? You want to check those scores again?
 
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zjcvols said:
Here's the question: Are we talking about their ability, or their career? Because McCarron easily has a top 10 career, but he's nowhere near top 10 in ability. I'd easily take Bradford, McCoy, Wilson, Newton, Couch, Manning, Smith, Manziel, and even Barkley.
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I agree with this.
No one else is touching the winning McCarron has done. So, what are we ranking here? Most successful QBs or best QBs?
 
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bamawriter said:
The ability vs career argument is so stupid.

Either you did or you didn't. The only 'ability' that matters was whether or not you were 'able' to win.
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But, any QB suiting up for Bama right now is playing on a better team, relative to the current competition, than the vast majority of the other QBs on the list. It's easier for McCarron to win an NC at Bama in 2012 than it was for, (oh, why not?) Tee Martin, to win one at UT in 1998.
 
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ukvols said:
But, any QB suiting up for Bama right now is playing on a better team, relative to the current competition, than the vast majority of the other QBs on the list. It's easier for McCarron to win an NC at Bama in 2012 than it was for, (oh, why not?) Tee Martin, to win one at UT in 1998.
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Or it could be that AJ McCarron is a better QB than Tee Martin.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Or it could be that AJ McCarron is a better QB than Tee Martin.
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I wasn't comparing them in particular. I'm just making the point that each QB's situation is unique. You cannot use Wins as a sole means of comparing two QBs in football anymore that you can use it to compare two baseball pitchers. Obviously, it's easier to pile up Wins (and titles) as a Yankees pitcher than as a Blue Jays pitcher.
 
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ukvols said:
But, any QB suiting up for Bama right now is playing on a better team, relative to the current competition, than the vast majority of the other QBs on the list. It's easier for McCarron to win an NC at Bama in 2012 than it was for, (oh, why not?) Tee Martin, to win one at UT in 1998.
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Martin was no more the focal point of his offense than McCarron is of his.

If McCarron was tossing 10 or 12 passes a game then one could argue that he's been nothing but a minor piece. But that is clearly not the case. McCarron is a big part of the reason that Bama's offense is so tough to handle. And beyond all else, he's the most successful QB of the BCS era. If he wins another title next year, he will be the most successful college QB of all time.

Argue ability all you want. If ability is anything other than what AJ McCarron has done, and is doing, then you can keep it.
 
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Not saying he's not a good QB. Just saying he's doing it on a team that is more talented and better coached than every opponent.
 
#50
#50
McCarron wasn't the best QB in the BCS in 2012. He wasn't even the best in the SEC.
 
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