Top quarterbacks in the draft

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#52
Ouch...

PFW draft guide clobbers Cam Newton | ProFootballTalk

Under “negatives” for Newton, Nawrocki writes, “Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and will always struggle to win a locker room . . . Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.”

Wow, Nolan. Tell us how you really feel.
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#54
#54
nbakerld said:
I don't know why Kolb is such a hot commodity. He's never really proved anything.
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Has a couple awesome NFL games under his belt - more than any of the draft picks have had. He's less risky than any of the picks, and I about lost my mind when Casserly said he had Kolb as the #2 QB prospect in this draft behind Gabbert. Gabbert will do NOTHING. He's Alex Smith 2.0.
 
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#60
VolinArizona said:
I'm curious of the Gabbert love, especially from message boarders who probably didn't watch him play.

You realize 100% of his college snaps came from the shotgun, right? Not a single snap under center. And he didn't really light it up in the spread, either. Solid college QB - if it translates to NFL success, I'll be a little surprised.

Mallett is an idiot, yes. So was Dan Marino. I have them in the same mold.
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Sam Bradford took almost all of his snaps from shotgun too.
 
#61
#61
Mel Kiper on this year's QB's:

"Blaine Gabbert. Lotta people comparing him to Drew Bledsoe coming out, but I don't see it. I'm not buying into Gabbert. I know he runs a 4.65 at 6-5 and 235, and I give him credit for doing it with a poor receiving corps, but I think he's shaky. You realize he completed only 38 percent of his throws 15 yards [and farther] downfield? And he was only 44 percent on third down, with six touchdowns and five interceptions? You know what Andrew Luck was on third down last year? Seventy-one percent. [Gabbert will] go in the top five, but I've got him down past 10 -- not exactly sure where right now. Still finalizing that. But he and Newton will be around 12, 13 for me.

"The other guys ... Ryan Mallett, amazing size and a phenomenal arm, and I don't think his lack of speed is going to kill him. But he's got some issues off the field. Andy Dalton and Christian Ponder, both good prospects; lots of people think Dalton can be that prototype West Coast quarterback, and I like him.''

2011 NFL Draft is a crazy year for quarterbacks, says Mel Kiper - Peter King - SI.com

Pretty compelling stats that should give any team interested in drafting him in the first round second thoughts.
 
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#65
volinexile17 said:
Mel Kiper on this year's QB's:

"Blaine Gabbert. Lotta people comparing him to Drew Bledsoe coming out, but I don't see it. I'm not buying into Gabbert. I know he runs a 4.65 at 6-5 and 235, and I give him credit for doing it with a poor receiving corps, but I think he's shaky. You realize he completed only 38 percent of his throws 15 yards [and farther] downfield? And he was only 44 percent on third down, with six touchdowns and five interceptions? You know what Andrew Luck was on third down last year? Seventy-one percent. [Gabbert will] go in the top five, but I've got him down past 10 -- not exactly sure where right now. Still finalizing that. But he and Newton will be around 12, 13 for me.

"The other guys ... Ryan Mallett, amazing size and a phenomenal arm, and I don't think his lack of speed is going to kill him. But he's got some issues off the field. Andy Dalton and Christian Ponder, both good prospects; lots of people think Dalton can be that prototype West Coast quarterback, and I like him.''

2011 NFL Draft is a crazy year for quarterbacks, says Mel Kiper - Peter King - SI.com

Pretty compelling stats that should give any team interested in drafting him in the first round second thoughts.
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I'm sure not that high on Gabbert.
 
#66
#66
justingroves said:
Oklahoma really churns out those elite WRs
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Whether Bradford's WR's were elite or not, I don't remember ever seeing guys so wide open in all my life. One game I specifically remember, Okla/Okla St was the most sorry defensive game I've ever seen in my life. It's like the Cowboys were playing a 4-3-2 defense. It was similar to that every time I saw OU that year.
 
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#68
nbakerld said:
Whether Bradford's WR's were elite or not, I don't remember ever seeing guys so wide open in all my life. One game I specifically remember, Okla/Okla St was the most sorry defensive game I've ever seen in my life. It's like the Cowboys were playing a 4-3-2 defense. It was similar to that every time I saw OU that year.
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You must not have watched Auburn this past season.
 
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volinexile17 said:
Mel Kiper on this year's QB's:

"Blaine Gabbert. Lotta people comparing him to Drew Bledsoe coming out, but I don't see it. I'm not buying into Gabbert. I know he runs a 4.65 at 6-5 and 235, and I give him credit for doing it with a poor receiving corps, but I think he's shaky. You realize he completed only 38 percent of his throws 15 yards [and farther] downfield? And he was only 44 percent on third down, with six touchdowns and five interceptions?
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Hmmm. I agree with Mel Kiper. That makes me believe that I may need to reconsider my assessment.
 
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#71
nbakerld said:
Whether Bradford's WR's were elite or not, I don't remember ever seeing guys so wide open in all my life. One game I specifically remember, Okla/Okla St was the most sorry defensive game I've ever seen in my life. It's like the Cowboys were playing a 4-3-2 defense. It was similar to that every time I saw OU that year.
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It's still like that for Bradford. He plays in the NFC West.
 
#72
#72
justingroves said:
You must not have watched Auburn this past season.
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That's different though. OU passed all the time, and Auburn ran all the time. There is an excuse for leaving WR's open with Newton, Dyer, and McCaleb gashing you on the ground. There is no excuse for guys being open every play when you know damn well know the opposition (OU) is going to throw 45 times per game.
 
#73
#73
nbakerld said:
That's different though. OU passed all the time, and Auburn ran all the time. There is an excuse for leaving WR's open with Newton, Dyer, and McCaleb gashing you on the ground. There is no excuse for guys being open every play when you know damn well know the opposition (OU) is going to throw 45 times per game.
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So Newton's pass completion percentage is inflated?

DeMarco Murray, Allen Patrick and Chris Brown were good enough (for the most part) to keep teams honest.
 
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#74
justingroves said:
So Newton's pass completion percentage is inflated?

DeMarco Murray, Allen Patrick and Chris Brown were good enough (for the most part) to keep teams honest.
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I would agree with that in most cases but the OU passing game was so elite it completely overshadowed the run game.

Bradford's two full seasons:

69.5%, 9.17 YPA, 36 TD's, 8 INT's, 3121 Yards
67.9%, 9.77 YPA, 50 TD's, 8 INT's, 4720 Yards

Bradford's run game:

2670 Yards, 34 TD's, 4.7 YPC
2779 Yards, 45 TD's, 4.7 YPC

When I look at those stats, first of all I think..."HOLY ****! That's a lot of TD's!" But if I were an opposing defense and I see 9.77 YPA and 37 attempts per game vs 4.7 YPC and 42 carries per game, I know right away what my focus is going to be. Especially when you consider a lot of OU's rush attempts are coming in the 2nd half after their 28 point lead.

Looking at Auburn I see 10.19 YPA and 20 attempts per game vs 6.1 YPC and 46 carries per game, my focus no doubt is going to be the run.
 
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nbakerld said:
When I look at those stats, first of all I think..."HOLY ****! That's a lot of TD's!" But if I were an opposing defense and I see 9.77 YPA and 37 attempts per game vs 4.7 YPC and 42 carries per game, I know right away what my focus is going to be. Especially when you consider a lot of OU's rush attempts are coming in the 2nd half after their 28 point lead.

Looking at Auburn I see 10.19 YPA and 20 attempts per game vs 6.1 YPC and 46 carries per game, my focus no doubt is going to be the run.
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So what you're saying is that Bradford picked apart opposing D's even though they knew what he was going to do? That would mean he's pretty damn good correct?

So that makes Gabbert even less attractive as a pro prospect.

And I'll ask once again, Newton's pass completion percentage have to be a little skewed since, as you say, teams focused on the run.
 
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