Top Ten College Football Coaches

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of course the guy not counting Snyder also left off Bob Stoops and Gary Patterson. He also somehow puts Jim Mora Jr on there. What a laughable post.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I forgot Patterson, I'm not sold on Stoops.
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He's lost a lot of his edge, but he's still bottom tier top ten. You can't be that consistent for that long without doing something right. If you're going to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on about Bill Snyder's resume, Bob Stoops is doing more than Snyder. Stoops has never had a losing season, never missed a bowl game.
 
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volfanbill said:
He's lost a lot of his edge, but he's still bottom tier top ten. You can't be that consistent for that long without doing something right. If you're going to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on about Bill Snyder's resume, Bob Stoops is doing more than Snyder. Stoops has never had a losing season, never missed a bowl game.
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But the program he took over was a few million times better than Kansas St.
 
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Vol8188 said:
But the program he took over was a few million times better than Kansas St.
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Uh no, not really. Before Stoops took over OU:

1992: 5-4-2
1993: 9-3
1994: 6-6
1995: 5-5-1
1996: 3-8
1997: 4-8
1998: 5-6

Stoops came in, promptly won 7 games and has been bowling ever since. You love to think about what teams did in the 50s, 60s and 70s when you're thinking about current coaches. Bama was absolutely awful when Saban took over and OU was atrocious when Stoops saved the program. Stoops has done the exact same thing as Snyder only better. Saban has one upped them both by doing it at three different schools.
 
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You really think that's comparable to Kansas St?
1985: 1-10
1986: 2-9
1987: 0-10-1
1988: 0-11

Those were the four years before Snyder. They the most loses among all D1 programs when he came to town.
 
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#32
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Vol8188 said:
Only name head coaches. I'm going with:

1. Bill Snyder
2. Gus Malzhan
3. Art Briles
4. Urban Meyer
5. Nick Saban
6. Steve Spurrier
7. David Cutcliffe
8. Rich Rod
9. Mike Leach
10. Sonny Dykes

Who've you got?
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Vol8188 said:
You really think that's comparable to Kansas St?
1985: 1-10
1986: 2-9
1987: 0-10-1
1988: 0-11

Those were the four years before Snyder. They the most loses among all D1 programs when he came to town.
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and it took Snyder 5 years to go bowling. He's won 10+ game 9 times in 22 years. He's missed a bowl game 7 times. He has all of one big bowl win, the '97 Fiesta.

Stoops has never missed a bowl game, has 3 big bowl wins and a NC, and only 3 seasons has he failed to win 10+ games.
 
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volfanbill said:
and it took Snyder 5 years to go bowling. He's won 10+ game 9 times in 22 years. He's missed a bowl game 7 times. He has all of one big bowl win, the '97 Fiesta.

Stoops has never missed a bowl game, has 3 big bowl wins and a NC, and only 3 seasons has he failed to win 10+ games.
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Oklahoma and Alabama both have great history and in state talent. Kansas St has neither. He took a winless team and won 11 games or more in 6 out of 7 years from 1997-2003.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Oklahoma and Alabama both have great history and in state talent. Kansas St has neither. He took a winless team and won 11 games or more in 6 out of 7 years from 1997-2003.
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who cares about history? What does what a team did in the 70s have to do with what they do in the aughts? absolutley nothing. both Saban and Stoops took over horrible teams and immediately turned them around and have always had them in the picture. Snyder took a really bad team and made them average. And kept them there. Ooooh.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Get back to me when Kansas State ever plays for a national championship.
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So to be a great coach you have to win a NC? There's probably about 30 schools out there were a coach, no matter how great can actually even have a shot at that.
 
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volfanbill said:
who cares about history? What does what a team did in the 70s have to do with what they do in the aughts? absolutley nothing. both Saban and Stoops took over horrible teams and immediately turned them around and have always had them in the picture. Snyder took a really bad team and made them average. And kept them there. Ooooh.
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It means everything. History means larger fan base. Larger recruiting budget. Better facilities. And if your school has a history of winning, they probably have a decent talent pool.
 
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Lets get real here...

1. Butch Jones
2. Butch Jones
3. Butch Jones
4. Butch Jones
5. Butch Jones
....I think you guys see where i'm going here.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Oklahoma and Alabama both have great history and in state talent. Kansas St has neither. He took a winless team and won 11 games or more in 6 out of 7 years from 1997-2003.
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With the record all 3 schools had before Snyder, Saban, or Stoops took over is basically irrelevant. Consistent losing recrods are just that...

OU bit the big one or a long time trying to find a suitable replacement to return to the glory years...Stoops. So, he successfully rebuilt.

KState never really had a program...Snyder built it. Retired. Came back and had to rebuild his handi work.

I won't say Stallings was the only post-Bryant coach of any account. Just the first to hang around that long. Perkins and Curry were successful, just didn't want to deal with all the crap. Stallings tired of it after a while but during his tenure was quite good. Between Stallings and Saban, Bama basically sucked. So, Saban had to rebuild. Prior to Saban, LSU was not a perrenial power. They had their moments and certainly the history, but not hte consistency they established under Saban. Les Miles success is due in part to Saban's work there.

Given...Bama and OU are steep in tradition and success, but it is not automatic to win just because it is Bama or whoever. Refer to coaches before them. But, being the schools they are, all 3 in major conferences, they all either quickly succeeded or re-emerged because they are winning D1 schools that can put you in the NFL.



All 3 are highly credible...Saban has just done it much better than the others, and has done it more than once, at more than one school. That makes it a track record with him, and also makes him the best.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So to be a great coach you have to win a NC? There's probably about 30 schools out there were a coach, no matter how great can actually even have a shot at that.
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he's coached in one of the premiere college football conferences his whole career. He's had his shot and never made it. Here's a stat for you: Snyder is 2-8 against Stoops.
 
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GVF said:
With the record all 3 schools had before Snyder, Saban, or Stoops took over is basically irrelevant. Consistent losing recrods are just that...

OU bit the big one or a long time trying to find a suitable replacement to return to the glory years...Stoops. So, he successfully rebuilt.

KState never really had a program...Snyder built it. Retired. Came back and had to rebuild his handi work.

I won't say Stallings was the only post-Bryant coach of any account. Just the first to hang around that long. Perkins and Curry were successful, just didn't want to deal with all the crap. Stallings tired of it after a while but during his tenure was quite good. Between Stallings and Saban, Bama basically sucked. So, Saban had to rebuild. Prior to Saban, LSU was not a perrenial power. They had their moments and certainly the history, but not hte consistency they established under Saban. Les Miles success is due in part to Saban's work there.

Given...Bama and OU are steep in tradition and success, but it is not automatic to win just because it is Bama or whoever. Refer to coaches before them. But, being the schools they are, all 3 in major conferences, they all either quickly succeeded or re-emerged because they are winning D1 schools that can put you in the NFL.



All 3 are highly credible...Saban has just done it much better than the others, and has done it more than once, at more than one school. That makes it a track record with him, and also makes him the best.
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I disagree that the schools prior history is irrelevant. Do you believe Alabama and Kentucky define success in the same way?

I consider success at a school like Alabama (Tennessee would be a great example here) as constantly winning 8-9 games and SEC championships every 5 years or so.

If you do that at Kentucky, you're not successful, you're a legend.

That's what we have here. Snyder took over a team that hadn't won a game in two years! And built them into a top 15 program.
 
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volfanbill said:
Ok, I get it, you're trolling. I'm done.
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Not at all. I just believe different schools define success in different ways. If a coach had done what Saban has done at Alabama, at a school like Kentucky, there would be no argument what so ever about his greatness.
 
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#47
#47
no love for Dantonio in this thread? I thought Vols fans were more knowledgeable than that.:hi:
 
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Vol8188 said:
I see you left out his 6-5, 6-6, and 7-5 seasons at Michigan St.

Bill Snyder beats Texas and Oklahoma on a regular basis. Those are not lesser talented teams.
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Doesn't he have a losing record vs those two?
 
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If Bill Snyder is #1 on this list, then you have to put James Franklin because he's basically following the KSU model at Vandy.
 
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GatorBill said:
no love for Dantonio in this thread? I thought Vols fans were more knowledgeable than that.:hi:
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Conspicuous absences include:
Dantonio
O'Leary
Miles
Petersen
Shaw
Strong


I don't think the OP list was horrible, but wouldn't be able to justify Snyder at 1. I don't see how you can leave Les Miles or David Shaw off any current lists…JMHO. Dantonio deserves some real consideration. He is putting SEC caliber defenses together at Michigan State.
 
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