Top Ten College Football Coaches

#51
#51
Vol8188 said:
So to be a great coach you have to win a NC? There's probably about 30 schools out there were a coach, no matter how great can actually even have a shot at that.
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Not to be great, but certainly to be considered the greatest in the country. Nobody is denying what Snyder has done at K State, but that still doesn't put him in the same league as Saban or Meyer.
 
#52
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VolsSportsFan said:
If Bill Snyder is #1 on this list, then you have to put James Franklin because he's basically following the KSU model at Vandy.
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I thought about it. And he probably should be in the bottom three, but as a Vol I just couldn't.
 
#53
#53
Lexvol said:
Conspicuous absences include:
Dantonio
O'Leary
Miles
Petersen
Shaw
Strong


I don't think the OP list was horrible, but wouldn't be able to justify Snyder at 1. I don't see how you can leave Les Miles or David Shaw off any current lists…JMHO. Dantonio deserves some real consideration. He is putting SEC caliber defenses together at Michigan State.
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Shaw and Strong don't have very log track records. I have a hard time calling strong a top coach for what he's done. If we are considering him, we should throw CBJ in to the discussion to.

I do admit to simply forgetting Peterson.
 
#54
#54
Vol8188 said:
He has the best talent around. And how well did he do at Michigan State?

Winning at Alabama and LSU does not impress me. You're supposed to win there! Look at his record at Michigan State. Brett Bielema had a more impressive record.
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Your sapose to win at Tennessee too and that hasn't worked out well. Saban is one of the best, if not the best coaches to ever coach and It makes me sick.
 
#55
#55
Vol8188 said:
Shaw and Strong don't have very log track records. I have a hard time calling strong a top coach for what he's done. If we are considering him, we should throw CBJ in to the discussion to.

I do admit to simply forgetting Peterson.
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I can understand the reservations about Strong and Shaw, but Les Miles would be on any list of mine without hesitation. LSU went through exactly what UT is going through now before Saban got there. In fact, their situation may have been worse. I think they were almost below .500 for an entire decade.
 
#57
#57
Vol8188 said:
I disagree that the schools prior history is irrelevant. Do you believe Alabama and Kentucky define success in the same way?

I consider success at a school like Alabama (Tennessee would be a great example here) as constantly winning 8-9 games and SEC championships every 5 years or so.

If you do that at Kentucky, you're not successful, you're a legend.

That's what we have here. Snyder took over a team that hadn't won a game in two years! And built them into a top 15 program.
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Well I disagree that you disagree. The history of the 3 schools merely for the sake of the comparison of these 3 coaches is very irrelevant. KState has no meaningful history that you would associate with Bama or OU, so you have to throw that out and compare raw results. If history had any relevance to any given coach, Shula would have won automatically, or Dooley, or pre-Stoops, etc. The coach has to produce or a storied program will become un-storied. Bottom line is all 3 either built or ressurrected a program. Emphasis on Saban for being the best because he has done it at multiple schools with multiple titles. Period.
 
#58
#58
GVF said:
Well I disagree that you disagree. The history of the 3 schools merely for the sake of the comparison of these 3 coaches is very irrelevant. KState has no meaningful history that you would associate with Bama or OU, so you have to throw that out and compare raw results. If history had any relevance to any given coach, Shula would have won automatically, or Dooley, or pre-Stoops, etc. The coach has to produce or a storied program will become un-storied. Bottom line is all 3 either built or ressurrected a program. Emphasis on Saban for being the best because he has done it at multiple schools with multiple titles. Period.
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So you don't believe that the history of a program makes it easier to win at certain places? You believe it is just as easy to win at Kentucky as it is Alabama?
 
#59
#59
Vol8188 said:
So you don't believe that the history of a program makes it easier to win at certain places? You believe it is just as easy to win at Kentucky as it is Alabama?
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History gets you money.

College Football's Most Valuable Teams - In Photos: College Football's Most Valuable Teams - Forbes

1. Texas
2. Notre Dame
3. Penn St
4. LSU
5. Michigan
6. Alabama
7. Georgia
8. Arkansas
9. Auburn
10. Oklahoma

Money gets you new facilities.

New facilities get you recruits (they like shinny, new things).
 
#60
#60
Lexvol said:
Conspicuous absences include:
Dantonio
O'Leary
Miles
Petersen
Shaw
Strong


I don't think the OP list was horrible, but wouldn't be able to justify Snyder at 1. I don't see how you can leave Les Miles or David Shaw off any current lists…JMHO. Dantonio deserves some real consideration. He is putting SEC caliber defenses together at Michigan State.
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Or, quite possibly, the SEC has put together a handful of Dantonio caliber defenses! :) (ok, c'mon, that was kinda funny!!)

I agree completely with your additions and comments. :good!::good!:
 
#61
#61
Vol8188 said:
So you don't believe that the history of a program makes it easier to win at certain places? You believe it is just as easy to win at Kentucky as it is Alabama?
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You really have to wonder how this argument changes if Bear Bryant stays at Kentucky, instead of getting out of Rupp's shadow.
 
#62
#62
Easttnken said:
You really have to wonder how this argument changes if Bear Bryant stays at Kentucky, instead of getting out of Rupp's shadow.
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I think the history of Bear changes. The talent base in Kentucky wasn't nearly that of Alabama, after black athletes came on the scene.
 
#63
#63
Vol8188 said:
I think the history of Bear changes. The talent base in Kentucky wasn't nearly that of Alabama, after black athletes came on the scene.
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I can see that side of it. But even back then "creative" recruiting existed. I still think he would have been successful there. I think the key would have been the university and boosters fully supporting both the football and basketball programs.

Example: In a book I read, they asked Bear when he knew it was time to leave Kentucky. He said he knew it was time to go when he got a watch for a Christmas bonus, and Rupp got the keys to a new Cadillac.
 
#64
#64
1. Saban
2. Miles
3. Spurrier
4. Stoops
5.David Shaw
6.Meyer
7. Fisher
8. Richt
9. Snyder
10. Briles
 
#66
#66
Vol8188 said:
What has David Shaw done besides inherit a top notch program? And Richt? Come on.
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Shaw won the Pac10 twice, which Harbaugh never did. Richt is a very good coach, who has consistently challenged the top coaches in the SEC year after year. He may lose games he shouldn't lose, but he also wins games where he isn't the favorite. And, unlike Fulmer, he's never had long losing streaks where he just loses to the same coach or program year after year.
 
#67
#67
1. Saban
2. Snyder
3. Meyer
4. Stoops
5. Dantonio
6. Shaw
7. Kelly
8. Petrino
9. Beamer
10. Gundy
Honorable mention: Pinkel, Miles, Fisher, Sumlin, & Patterson
 
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#70
#70
volfanbill said:
of course the guy not counting Snyder also left off Bob Stoops and Gary Patterson. He also somehow puts Jim Mora Jr on there. What a laughable post.
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Feel free to leave yours as part of the adult discussion instead of being hellbent on being a jackass
 
#71
#71
Mr_Henley said:
Feel free to leave yours as part of the adult discussion instead of being hellbent on being a jackass
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lol. I made probably 15 posts about the subject. But I got you butthurt because I denounced yours? Funny. How about you give me a reason why Snyder and Pattersen don't make your list but Jim Mora Jr does?
 
#73
#73
volfanbill said:
lol. I made probably 15 posts about the subject. But I got you butthurt because I denounced yours? Funny. How about you give me a reason why Snyder and Pattersen don't make your list but Jim Mora Jr does?
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Snyder: good one time in last decade, made hay back in the day. I translate this list to mean top 10 head coaches, in their capacity right now, recent success, and future potential. I'll pass on Bill Snyder. A good coach, yes, top 10 active right now of all the coaches in America? No sir, not in my opinion. And let's not even think about what happens to his salt as a coach with each passing....month.
* in last 10 years (03-13) Snyder is 62-40 (37-29) good, not 10 ten of everyone especially at 74.

Patterson: I personally think he is a good coach, but again, do I think he is top 10, I really don't. Since getting out of the WAC and MWC, he's 11-14 (6-12 Big 12). I think he made good success at a small school in small conferences. He's had some really good wins yes, but since moving up, I think law of averages shine through the next few years at TCU. That win percentage is coming down very soon.

Jim Mora Jr. ( being in ): 19-8 (12-6 in new PAC 12), young guy who turned the capsized SS Nuheisel right side up. He has NFL experience In many different positions, which is nothing but an advantage and a plus, especially when you are winning (proving that resume to be valid), in college football. I'll give you, this is probably the only name I'd change. But I wouldn't replace with Patterson and sure as he'll not Snyder as current top 10 coach to lead a college program. I'd lean towards one of Graham, Kelly, Fisher, or Stoops,
 
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#74
#74
I'm going to make 2 top 10 list. One is a top 10 coaches, and one is top 10 up and comers.

Top 10 + 5 bonus

1) Saban
2) Meyer
3) Dantonio ( I believe it )
4) Brian Kelly
5) Bill Snyder
6) Steve Spurrier
7) Art Briles ( will go up next year )
8) Jim Mora Jr.
9) David Shaw
10) Jimbo Fisher
11) Chris Petersen
12) Todd Graham
13) Les Miles ( he will keep dropping soon )
14) Gus Malzhan ( will move up )
15) Mike Gundy

Top 10 up and comers

1) Gary Andersen
2) Mark Huspeth
3) Craig Bohl
4) Dave Clawson
5) Paul Cryst
6) Kliff Kingsbury
7) David Bailiff ( RICE )
8) Dave Doeren.
9) Leopold at Wisconsin Whitewater
10) Sonny Dykes ( I still believe he will succed at Cal )
 
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#75
#75
So Mora makes the list despite an awful record because he's turned UCLA from pure crap to just garbage. Snyder comes back to find what he built is in shambles and restores it, yet he doesn't make the list. Brilliant Mr. Henley.
 
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