Toyota & Congress

#26
#26
oklavol said:
I can assure you not many Japanese POW's are driving Japanese cars. They were treated brutally.
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which is it, no WWII vets are driving Japanese cars (your original statement) or is it not many former POW's are driving Japanese cars (your revised statement once your first was proven wrong)?
 
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if you read between the lines of what the guy is saying he clearly believes that his cars do not have a problem and is only going through this process to apease the "angry" american customers.
 
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droski said:
reminds me of the audi scare 10 years ago where they said that hitting the brake caused it to spead up in some models. turned out to be completely false and every report was pilot error. torpedoed audi's business for years though.

i own a lexus and it's a spectacular car and nothing these idiots in congress say will change my mind. and btw my lexus was produced in the US.
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What was so funny about that situation is that the DOT characterized the problem as "pedal misapplication" because it sounded more technical than operator error. Heaven forbid outing themselves for running Audi through a bunch of hoops for little more than idiotic drivers.
 
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paul1454 said:
What was so funny about that situation is that the DOT characterized the problem as "pedal misapplication" because it sounded more technical than operator error. Heaven forbid outing themselves for running Audi through a bunch of hoops for little more than idiotic drivers.
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the toyota ceo said that the supposed acceleration problem wasn't "repeatable" which to me screams pilot error. no one wants to admit they freaked out and ran over their kid or whatever. it's a lot easier to blame some phantom problem with the car. hell you probably start believing it yourself at some point. think about it logically. if there was truly a software issue and it forced these cars to accelerate by themselves why aren't there tens of thousands of these problems reported? everyone else has the same software.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Well, the employees at Toyota didn't solve the problems, and continued selling defective cars.

So here we are today.
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The employees at Toyota take care of their business about 1 million times better than do the people questioning them in DC.

It's called capitalism, it will work itself out. Don't want a Toyota? Don't buy one. Have a problem with the one you bought? Have them fix it or sue them. DC should stf up.
 
#34
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If these "throttle malfunctions" can be attributed to driver error, then why aren't many other car companies receiving the same complaints?
 
#35
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That would seem to imply that Toyota drivers are dumber and more inept than drivers of vehicles of other makes.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
That would seem to imply that Toyota drivers are dumber and more inept than drivers of vehicles of other makes.
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So you are saying this would be impossible or improbable? if you are saying impossible, I have to disagree. Look at what happened to Audi. Was the cause herd mentality? I can't say, but it doesn't change the fact that It sure happened to Audi not too long ago. That is enough anecdotal evidence to keep me from automatically assuming the claims against them are meritorious.
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I wouldn't say it's impossible that Toyota drivers tend to be more accident-prone. Honestly, I was surprised to hear that a Toyota could do 100 miles per hour.
 
#38
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droski said:
the toyota ceo said that the supposed acceleration problem wasn't "repeatable" which to me screams pilot error. No one wants to admit they freaked out and ran over their kid or whatever. It's a lot easier to blame some phantom problem with the car. Hell you probably start believing it yourself at some point. Think about it logically. If there was truly a software issue and it forced these cars to accelerate by themselves why aren't there tens of thousands of these problems reported? Everyone else has the same software.
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^^^^^^^this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^
 
#39
#39
Rumor is Honda is now milling the idea of a recall because of some door latch or something. Makes you wonder if the foreign companies are overreacting to fear of the federal government.

Something really stinks here with the government having such a big interest in 2 of the big 3. These congressional hearings are a farce.
 
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I dont know if this has been brought up or not but consider this.

The government has a direct conflict of interest in these proceedings as owners of GM and Chrsyler, so anything that comes down from those loons could be thrown out in the district, or supreme court, right?
 
#42
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Vol_4_Life said:
If these "throttle malfunctions" can be attributed to driver error, then why aren't many other car companies receiving the same complaints?
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who says they aren't? all you need is one high profile case and every idiot that has an accident will try to get their piece of the pie.
 
#43
#43
just saw this wall street journal article:

Sudden Acceleration's Cause Hard to Pinpoint - WSJ.com

The consensus among industry executives and federal safety regulators, embodied in a 1989 report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, is that most cases of sudden acceleration result from drivers hitting the gas pedal when they meant to hit the brakes

Driver error is the auto industry's bugaboo. Even when dealers and auto makers suspect driver error, it is difficult for them to outright blame their customers for fear of alienating them or appearing insensitive, as sometimes serious injuries or fatalities are involved. In Toyota's case, some of the most high-profile incidents of sudden acceleration involve drivers who are elderly or with health issues that may never be definitively ruled out as contributing factors.
Mr. Lentz acknowledged after a hearing Tuesday that both auto parts and human error could be to blame. "I think in the case of sudden acceleration there are mechanical issues, there are human interface issues. There is pedal misapplication. It exists."

Toyota is getting a lot of attention for sudden unintended acceleration, but Ford Motor Co. has been the subject of more complaints with federal regulators in the recent past. From 2004 to 2009, based on NHTSA data, Ford had 2,806 complaints, compared with Toyota's 2,515. General Motors Co. had 1,192. A study by Edmunds.com, an independent market-research Web site, found that based on the number of vehicles on the road, Toyota ranked 17th in recalls.

In the 1980s, a consumer scare over mechanical defects in Volkswagen AG's Audi 5000 vehicles caused Audi sales to collapse, but the NHTSA later determined the cause of the problem was "pedal misapplication," meaning a driver was mistakenly hitting the gas instead of the brake. It took years for Audi's sales to recover and a mechanical defect was never found in the vehicles.
 
#44
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rjd970 said:
Rumor is Honda is now milling the idea of a recall because of some door latch or something. Makes you wonder if the foreign companies are overreacting to fear of the federal government.

Something really stinks here with the government having such a big interest in 2 of the big 3. These congressional hearings are a farce.
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Wait till they get there hands on health care.
 
#45
#45
rjd970 said:
Rumor is Honda is now milling the idea of a recall because of some door latch or something. Makes you wonder if the foreign companies are overreacting to fear of the federal government.
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Yes they will overreact. As will every employee in these places. I have worked in all kinds of manufacturing facilities and although most items do come off the line as expected, some do not. Often the ones that do not are doctored, altered, or whatever so they can still be sold. Most often they are subtle and harmless, but it happens and there is risk involved. Producing requires human involvement and so defective product will always be sold. This little show in DC is disgusting.
 
#46
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oklavol said:
I think the U.S. auto industry employs more Americans then the Japanese industry. The deteriorating manufacturing sector in this country hurts the U.S. economy.
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My Buick is less of an American car than the typical Honda Accord.

Honda's are built in Ohio and my Buick was made in Ontario.
 
#49
#49
Vol_4_Life said:
I'll never drive one of those Asian death machines.
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Just curious, what vehicle do you drive - one of the "high quality" cars of the Detroit Three? If not, there's a fairly good chance your vehicle is from an Asian country...
But I guess as long as it's not a Toyota, it'll be perfectly safe...?
 
#50
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Toycarmaker said:
Just curious, what vehicle do you drive - one of the "high quality" cars of the Detroit Three? If not, there's a fairly good chance your vehicle is from an Asian country...
But I guess as long as it's not a Toyota, it'll be perfectly safe...?
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Yes, as I stated a few posts above this one, I am proud to drive a Chevy. I can say that my 15-year-old Chevy has never experienced any major malfunction, and certainly never one that threatened anyone's life. That is more than a number of Toyota drivers can say about their car.
 
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