TP/conservative racism?

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lawgator1 said:
Which was?
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BeecherVol said:
So you think the TP would turn their back on its racist views just to stick it to Romney?
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If there is some screwing around, back door, non serious, points trying to be made they wouldn't use the black man to do it. That would fly in the face of their roots.

It would be Bachmann, Santorum, or somebody else.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You know what?

No one is.


But he's been running for about 5 years and he's locked up a lot of big money support. He looks the part and he won't f it up.

He's bland, yes, but he can beat Obama and that's enough for most people. Cain is too likely to say or do something incredibly stupid and blow it.
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Doubtful. I like Cain because he says it like it is and I think conservatives want someone with balls that is going to go up there and tell Obama to shove it and flip the MSM off in the process. I know I do. Im tired of this "let's all get a long and sing koombayah" BS. I vote conservatives in to change the system, now bow to the will of a bunch of whiney libs that all of the sudden want to negotiate.
 
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And it's not that Romney is bland that I don't like, I dont' like his stance on healthcare and his comments about social security reform. For the record, Perry was totally right to call social security a ponzi scheme because it is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Rubio to guarantee Florida, Santorum to keep the TP from throwing a tantrum and doing something goofy, like a third party run.
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Hm, I never got the sense that the TP supports Santorum. I guess I'm not seeing the value-add of Santorum.
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I'd like to think that you guys are right, and that the TP wing of the party really would endorse a black man for POTUS if they thought he was qualified. But its going to take more than a month long ride in some nonbinding polls to convince me its real support. Let's see if he wins ANY primaries. If so, you might make me a believer.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'd like to think that you guys are right, and that the TP wing of the party really would endorse a black man for POTUS if they thought he was qualified. But its going to take more than a month long ride in some nonbinding polls to convince me its real support. Let's see if he wins ANY primaries. If so, you might make me a believer.
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u know it al.............
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lawgator1 said:
I'd like to think that you guys are right, and that the TP wing of the party really would endorse a black man for POTUS if they thought he was qualified. But its going to take more than a month long ride in some nonbinding polls to convince me its real support. Let's see if he wins ANY primaries. If so, you might make me a believer.
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Give me a break. The Democratic party has had widespread support for one kind-of-black presidential candidate, ever, and now they have moral high-ground? If Herman Cain were as charismatic as Obama, it'd be all over for Romney and Perry. They would vote for a black president, if he/she had the right appeal.
 
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volinbham said:
Irrelevant to the discussion. Cain has TP support - strong evidence that the TP is not racist.

Cain may not get the nod because non-TP Rs may prefer Romney.
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I knew it! Moderates are the REAL racists.
 
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nbakerld said:
Give me a break. The Democratic party has had widespread support for one kind-of-black presidential candidate, ever, and now they have moral high-ground? If Herman Cain were as charismatic as Obama, it'd be all over for Romney and Perry. They would vote for a black president, if he/she had the right appeal.
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I don't think that's fair. The close relationship between the Democratic party and the black community goes much further back than Barrack Obama.
 
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sjt18 said:
I knew it! Moderates are the REAL racists.
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Like I said, if Cain, who is currently tied with Perry for second in the recent polls, actually pulls down a primary, then I'll reevaluate my perception of GOP general hostility towards the black community.

If memory serves, the first primaries are in January, right? If Cain continues to poll as he is now, and if the people responding in the polls truly mean to vote for him, then he should have no trouble winning one or two of them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Like I said, if Cain, who is currently tied with Perry for second in the recent polls, actually pulls down a primary, then I'll reevaluate my perception of GOP general hostility towards the black community.

If memory serves, the first primaries are in January, right? If Cain continues to poll as he is now, and if the people responding in the polls truly mean to vote for him, then he should have no trouble winning one or two of them.
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What has the Democratic party done to prove they aren't hostile to the black community? Hell, harry Reid said Obama was the first "well spoken" and "clean" black guy he'd ever met.

...."light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one,"....

This is the guy that is high up in the chain too, we aren't talking about some recently elected peon.

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lawgator1 said:
Like I said, if Cain, who is currently tied with Perry for second in the recent polls, actually pulls down a primary, then I'll reevaluate my perception of GOP general hostility towards the black community.

If memory serves, the first primaries are in January, right? If Cain continues to poll as he is now, and if the people responding in the polls truly mean to vote for him, then he should have no trouble winning one or two of them.
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Good Lord.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'd like to think that you guys are right, and that the TP wing of the party really would endorse a black man for POTUS if they thought he was qualified. But its going to take more than a month long ride in some nonbinding polls to convince me its real support. Let's see if he wins ANY primaries. If so, you might make me a believer.
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Why does he have to win a primary? He's black and still in the race, that doesn't fit your broad TP racist brush.

What's next, hes not really black.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Mitt Romney is a moderate. But he's electable. Folks are choosing between sticking to their guns that they want a truly right wing nominee versus whether they want to win. Its a case of their core values battling against their urgent hatred of Obama.

Romney can win and get rid of Obama, and in the end that would certainly be enough to get out the vote for the GOP big time. You could nominate a rocking chair and the far right would turn out just to vote against Obama.
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Who says Romney is electable? Romney will lose as much from the conservative base as he could ever win from the "moderates". Moderates aren't sold by a "moderate" point of view. They are sold by someone who sells them their ideals. Obama won "moderates" and he is a radical liberal. McCain didn't get moderates and he is decidedly a moderate.

Reagan won the middle by a landslide with a clearly conservative message.

IMO, Romney is NOT electable. If you give Americans a choice between a black Obama who is already President and a white Obama who has flip-flopped all over the place... Barak is going to win.

Its going to be Romney and Perry at the end of the day,
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Four years ago, the left (who knows and understands OH so much about conservatives) had whittled the campaign down to Guilianni and Thompson.

Cain will not be a part of the real discussion, at any point.
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He is a part of the discussion NOW. I know it is your worst nightmare but his appeal is real and colorless with conservative voters. He is saying things they believe in and convincing them that he believes in them too.

Unlike Obama, Cain is a true, pull yourself up by your bootstraps success story. Unlike Obama, he does not have to artificially identify with the history and struggles of blacks in America... he's lived it.... and overcome it.

His charisma and presentation could definitely use a little help... but he IS your nightmare and right now the clearest conservative voice in the field.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think that's fair. The close relationship between the Democratic party and the black community goes much further back than Barrack Obama.
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...of course it does, they like to enslave them with welfare and tell them they aren't capable of making it on their own without gov't assistance....
 
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BeecherVol said:
Good Lord.
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Look, it is a fairly common sentiment to believe that the GOP favors policies that hurt the black community. There is a long and well reported history of racial intolerance within the GOP. Its not like I am in some small group of people who without basis believes that the GOP is generally hostile towards the black community.

Perhaps things are changing for the better. Certainly, the fact that Obama could be nominated and win is a signal that the entire country, including even its more conservative elements, is getting past race as a barometer of character and quality.

But you just have to look at how guys like Colin Powell and Michael Steele have been treated by some components of the GOP to see that there are still some hurdles there.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Why does he have to win a primary? He's black and still in the race, that doesn't fit your broad TP racist brush.

What's next, hes not really black.
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Actually, yes it does. No one has actually gone into a booth and voted for the man for anything at this point.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Look, it is a fairly common sentiment to believe that the GOP favors policies that hurt the black community.
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only because it's been put there by the left

lawgator1 said:
Perhaps things are changing for the better. Certainly, the fact that Obama could be nominated and win is a signal that the entire country, including even its more conservative elements, is getting past race as a barometer of character and quality.
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yep it proved morons come in all colors
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think that's fair. The close relationship between the Democratic party and the black community goes much further back than Barrack Obama.
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That's a myth, IMO. It's a false perception. A higher % of Republicans voted for the CRA. Lincoln was a Republican. Eisenhower introduced the first major civil rights legislation. Republicans elected the first black senator, and first black congressman. A republican appointed the first black 4-star general...the first black national security advisor...the first and second black secretary of state....etc.

It's a total myth that the democratic party has a better record on race.
 
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Dems true colors will show if when they dominate thr hispanic voye
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