TP/conservative racism?

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BeecherVol said:
If your theory is correct he would be out of the race already.
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don't you realize they're only keeping him in the race so the GOP can try and show they aren't racist? Kick him out now and everyone will be on to the plan
 
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You do know that the GOP has done more for the minorities than then the left, right? All the bills that the left pass are just ways to keep them down and uneducated from learning the truth. They do this so the dems can stay in power. Sad thing is lawgator, YOU know this to be a fact but yet you keep saying the same lies.
 
#53
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lawgator1 said:
Look, it is a fairly common sentiment to believe that the GOP favors policies that hurt the black community. There is a long and well reported history of racial intolerance within the GOP. Its not like I am in some small group of people who without basis believes that the GOP is generally hostile towards the black community.

Perhaps things are changing for the better. Certainly, the fact that Obama could be nominated and win is a signal that the entire country, including even its more conservative elements, is getting past race as a barometer of character and quality.

But you just have to look at how guys like Colin Powell and Michael Steele have been treated by some components of the GOP to see that there are still some hurdles there.
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Looking at it from your angle, yes.

Harder vote to get unless you can paint the other side as racist. Which is all that really matters.
 
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nbakerld said:
That's a myth, IMO. It's a false perception. A higher % of Republicans voted for the CRA. Lincoln was a Republican. Eisenhower introduced the first major civil rights legislation. Republicans elected the first black senator, and first black congressman. A republican appointed the first black 4-star general...the first black national security advisor...the first and second black secretary of state....etc.

It's a total myth that the democratic party has a better record on race.
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Frederick Douglas was also a devout Republican
 
#55
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lg already explained that republicans in the 1860s are democrats now
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#59
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utvolpj said:
don't you realize they're only keeping him in the race so the GOP can try and show they aren't racist? Kick him out now and everyone will be on to the plan
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OE would call it white guilt.
If you ain't gonna actually give him a chance at least let him hang around and feel like part of the club.
 
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lg said republicans became democrats and the kkk became the gop
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"The election of Roosevelt in 1932 marked the beginning of a change. He got 71 percent of the black vote for president in 1936 and did nearly that well in the next two elections, according to historical figures kept by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies. But even then, the number of blacks identifying themselves as Republicans was about the same as the number who thought of themselves as Democrats.

It wasn’t until Harry Truman garnered 77 percent of the black vote in 1948 that a majority of blacks reported that they thought of themselves as Democrats. Earlier that year Truman had issued an order desegregating the armed services and an executive order setting up regulations against racial bias in federal employment.

Even after that, Republican nominees continued to get a large slice of the black vote for several elections. Dwight D. Eisenhower got 39 percent in 1956, and Richard Nixon got 32 percent in his narrow loss to John F. Kennedy in 1960.

But then President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 (outlawing segregation in public places) and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, still a record for any presidential election.

The following year Johnson signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since."
 
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lawgator1 said:
Like I said, if Cain, who is currently tied with Perry for second in the recent polls, actually pulls down a primary, then I'll reevaluate my perception of GOP general hostility towards the black community.
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If you believe there IS a "general hostility" towards the black community among Republicans then you are living in a fantasy.

So frankly... I don't believe you. IF you believe it now... you'll make up a reason to believe it later.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Look, it is a fairly common sentiment to believe that the GOP favors policies that hurt the black community.
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Among liberals... yeah. You represent that delusion well. You do a GREAT job of representing the false notion that opposing gov't programs that end up hurting those they are intended to help is "racist".
There is a long and well reported history of racial intolerance within the GOP. Its not like I am in some small group of people who without basis believes that the GOP is generally hostile towards the black community.
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Yes. It is without basis. It is a "common sentiment" on "your side" that happens to be as false as the claim that Obamacare would lower HC costs.

Perhaps things are changing for the better. Certainly, the fact that Obama could be nominated and win is a signal that the entire country, including even its more conservative elements, is getting past race as a barometer of character and quality.
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We HAVE gotten past it. Your side is the only element that wants... and needs continued racial tension.

But you just have to look at how guys like Colin Powell and Michael Steele have been treated by some components of the GOP to see that there are still some hurdles there.
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So you cannot disagree with a guy on ideals or policy positions without "mistreating" them? You cannot criticize a guy for not doing his job well without it being racist?

This is the core of YOUR racism. You think race SHOULD BE a factor in evaluating someone's ideals, character, or performance. We DO NOT.
 
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The DEMOCRAT slave owners of Antebellum made considerable effort to convince their slaves that freedom was bad for them... that they'd starve or die in the elements if they tried to run. They convinced them that they'd never see their families again or that their families would be harmed. That tactic worked well. They also convinced them that those who would like to see them free did not have their best interests at heart.

150 years later... the tactics have changed but the strategy has not. Dems still want to keep blacks on the "plantation" so they can keep power. The left works just as hard as the slave owners ever did to convince the American black population that freedom is bad for them.
 
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#70
You guys are really reaching, trying to find individual examples of legislation you think you can use to argue that the GOP favors policies favorable to the black community. Overall, the GOP's record is pretty dismal on that score.

And when this is pointed out, you trot out the tired old line that it is made up by the Dems to keep the black community in line.
 
#71
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lawgator1 said:
You guys are really reaching, trying to find individual examples of legislation you think you can use to argue that the GOP favors policies favorable to the black community. Overall, the GOP's record is pretty dismal on that score.

And when this is pointed out, you trot out the tired old line that it is made up by the Dems to keep the black community in line.
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The feelings mutual.
 
#72
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lawgator1 said:
You guys are really reaching, trying to find individual examples of legislation you think you can use to argue that the GOP favors policies favorable to the black community. Overall, the GOP's record is pretty dismal on that score.

And when this is pointed out, you trot out the tired old line that it is made up by the Dems to keep the black community in line.
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in the 21st Century, there is no need for legislation specifically targeted at a single racial or ethnic group
 
#73
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lawgator1 said:
You guys are really reaching, trying to find individual examples of legislation you think you can use to argue that the GOP favors policies favorable to the black community. Overall, the GOP's record is pretty dismal on that score.

And when this is pointed out, you trot out the tired old line that it is made up by the Dems to keep the black community in line.
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Yeah, we're really reaching with the Civil Rights act. What do the dems have in their pocket that trumps that?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You guys are really reaching, trying to find individual examples of legislation you think you can use to argue that the GOP favors policies favorable to the black community. Overall, the GOP's record is pretty dismal on that score.
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Freedom, personal responsibility, and policies that support those ideals are good for every American... and ESPECIALLY those who want to achieve great things.... that includes many black people. Programs that take away personal responsibility and reward destructive behaviors are bad for every American AND especially those suffering from the effects of past systematic denial of opportunity and freedom.

And when this is pointed out, you trot out the tired old line that it is made up by the Dems to keep the black community in line.
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It is simply true. You may be tired of hearing it... but that has no bearing on it being fact.

Your dirty little secret is the racism of believing that blacks cannot achieve great things on their own without gov't help. Tragically, far too many blacks buy that form of fear mongering.

The difference between us is that I believe blacks are my equal and should have the same rights and bear the same responsibilities as I do. You believe blacks are handicapped.
 
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According to Public Policy Polling (a Democratic polling company), Cain leads among Republicans by a fairly wide margin in NC, WV, GA, and NE. Last week he polled second to Romney in FL by only two points.

These states have very conservative Republican Parties.
 
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