Trae Golden

#26
#26
That's why it's key for his assists to be as high as they are, he's getting others involved more.

Also why we need Mcbee Richardson and McRae to continue what they've been doing, we need those other threats besides golden and stokes.

Getting Maymon back obviously would also help.
 
#27
#27
His A/T is actually 3.71 but quite an improvement over last season.
 
#31
#31
I'd love to see him be bolder with the ball in his hands. More penetration, and dishing. He needs to break zones down, score or find the easy open shot. Less dribbling around outside the arc. Also, he needs to attack the press more. UT is an a team that runs an offense. The quicker we get into position, the more effective our offense will be.
 
#32
#32
I was going back and looking at old Ken Pom numbers. I think it's interesting, Trae Golden has a higher Assist Rate and Lower Turnover Rate than CJ Watson ever had. Also better Rebounding numbers.

The stat that is markedly better for CJ Watson was his 3pt percentage and steal %. But the two have relative comparable offensive ratings. I think the difference in steal % is more indicative of Martin's defensive philosophy than anything.

CJ's senior year was tremendous. It will be interesting to see how much Trae can improve. He's on track for another 150+ assist year this year, amazing considering this team's woeful offensive production. Assuming he can match that for a 3rd straight year that would put him Top 5 all-time at UT for assists.

Quite a statement for a player whose ability at the point has been questioned like it has.
 
#33
#33
golfballs said:
I was going back and looking at old Ken Pom numbers. I think it's interesting, Trae Golden has a higher Assist Rate and Lower Turnover Rate than CJ Watson ever had. Also better Rebounding numbers.

The stat that is markedly better for CJ Watson was his 3pt percentage and steal %. But the two have relative comparable offensive ratings. I think the difference in steal % is more indicative of Martin's defensive philosophy than anything.

CJ's senior year was tremendous. It will be interesting to see how much Trae can improve. He's on track for another 150+ assist year this year, amazing considering this team's woeful offensive production. Assuming he can match that for a 3rd straight year that would put him Top 5 all-time at UT for assists.

Quite a statement for a player whose ability at the point has been questioned like it has.
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Not a "true" PG
 
#34
#34
golfballs said:
I was going back and looking at old Ken Pom numbers. I think it's interesting, Trae Golden has a higher Assist Rate and Lower Turnover Rate than CJ Watson ever had. Also better Rebounding numbers.

The stat that is markedly better for CJ Watson was his 3pt percentage and steal %. But the two have relative comparable offensive ratings. I think the difference in steal % is more indicative of Martin's defensive philosophy than anything.

CJ's senior year was tremendous. It will be interesting to see how much Trae can improve. He's on track for another 150+ assist year this year, amazing considering this team's woeful offensive production. Assuming he can match that for a 3rd straight year that would put him Top 5 all-time at UT for assists.

Quite a statement for a player whose ability at the point has been questioned like it has.
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Well part of the reason Watson's numbers jumped his senior year was going from Buzz ball to Pearl's system. I don't think Golden's numbers will have a significant jump his senior year unless Martin suddenly wants to run and gun.
 
#35
#35
zansdad said:
Well part of the reason Watson's numbers jumped his senior year was going from Buzz ball to Pearl's system. I don't think Golden's numbers will have a significant jump his senior year unless Martin suddenly wants to run and gun.
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Even if they don't have a significant jump, he's still on track to the Top 5 assist list.

The only stat I think Trae could significantly improve upon in this system is his 3 point percentage. That's good enough for me.
 
#36
#36
golfballs said:
Even if they don't have a significant jump, he's still on track to the Top 5 assist list.

The only stat I think Trae could significantly improve upon in this system is his 3 point percentage. That's good enough for me.
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I'd like to see him work on his leadership skills, and his ability to feed the post, in addition to the outside shooting.
 
#38
#38
cncchris33 said:
I'd like to see him work on his leadership skills, and his ability to feed the post, in addition to the outside shooting.
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Nothing wrong with his outside shot. As far as feeding the post, I think the big man has to make himself a good target for that to happen most of the time. Yeme and Kenny are pretty active on the boards and defensively but strong offinsive post-up players they are NOT.
 
#39
#39
Lefteye said:
Nothing wrong with his outside shot. As far as feeding the post, I think the big man has to make himself a good target for that to happen most of the time. Yeme and Kenny are pretty active on the boards and defensively but strong offinsive post-up players they are NOT.
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:blink:
 
#40
#40
golfballs said:
not sure how to quantify something like that.
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Well, there are leadership conferences worldwide, so someone knows how to quantify it, or at le a st identify it and attempt to improve it. Trae lacks leadership skills IMO, but so did CJ Watson. This team needs a leader, and it's natural to look for that from your PG (similar to the QB in football).
 
#42
#42
Lefteye said:
Nothing wrong with his outside shot. As far as feeding the post, I think the big man has to make himself a good target for that to happen most of the time. Yeme and Kenny are pretty active on the boards and defensively but strong offinsive post-up players they are NOT.
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The only thing wrong with his outside shot this year, is it goes in roughly a quarter of the time. He's a career 33% shooter. That's not immune from improvement.
 
#44
#44
cncchris33 said:
The only thing wrong with his outside shot this year, is it goes in roughly a quarter of the time. He's a career 33% shooter. That's not immune from improvement.
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Yeah, he has been McBeeish this season. Having trouble hitting the open look.
 
#46
#46
bleedingTNorange said:
Not a "true" PG
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I think when people use "true" they are thinking of the prototypical PG ("pass-first" mentality). Scoring PGs have never been considered true PGs up until the NBA got so athletic in the last 10-15 years. We used to call scoring PGs "combo" guards because they had the ability to run the team, distribute and score. The thought of many on here has been if you were to put Trae in at the 2, he'd have consistently better scoring numbers because he's a scorer. Over time, he's definitely gotten a lot better on his decision-making and distribution. The great part is that we don't need him to be just a scorer because we need him to distribute and lead the team and he's doing an excellent job of that.
 
#47
#47
jknox33 said:
I think when people use "true" they are thinking of the prototypical PG ("pass-first" mentality). Scoring PGs have never been considered true PGs up until the NBA got so athletic in the last 10-15 years. We used to call scoring PGs "combo" guards because they had the ability to run the team, distribute and score. The thought of many on here has been if you were to put Trae in at the 2, he'd have consistently better scoring numbers because he's a scorer. Over time, he's definitely gotten a lot better on his decision-making and distribution. The great part is that we don't need him to be just a scorer because we need him to distribute and lead the team and he's doing an excellent job of that.
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I'm not sure his scoring would be better at the 2 honestly. He's not super athletic, and definitely isn't overly quick...trying to score on guys 3-4 inches taller than him might get interesting.
 
#48
#48
bleedingTNorange said:
I'm not sure his scoring would be better at the 2 honestly. He's not super athletic, and definitely isn't overly quick...trying to score on guys 3-4 inches taller than him might get interesting.
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And it's not like he's a great shooter.

But he definitely came to UT as a scorer. He obviously has been groomed to play the point and he's gotten better at distributing the ball, but he's still a scorer. I think the area he needed to improve the most this year is getting his teammates more involved and making them better
 
#49
#49
golfballs said:
And it's not like he's a great shooter.

But he definitely came to UT as a scorer. He obviously has been groomed to play the point and he's gotten better at distributing the ball, but he's still a scorer. I think the area he needed to improve the most this year is getting his teammates more involved and making them better
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I begged for them to send him to Nash's camp this summer, or any PG camp...would've really helped him progress IMO.
 
#50
#50
bleedingTNorange said:
I'm not sure his scoring would be better at the 2 honestly. He's not super athletic, and definitely isn't overly quick...trying to score on guys 3-4 inches taller than him might get interesting.
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I think the thought is more of as a PG one of your main duties is distribution. If he didn't have to focus on setting up his teammates then he'd just look for his shot more. What I love about Trae is he is strong and crafty although not overly athletic or tall. He's adept at driving the lane against bigs and using his body to draw and absorb contact. He'd have trouble spot up shooting or shooting off the dribble against significantly taller guards. However, he is quick enough to guard most PGs so that would translate to his advantage against taller players.

He's our PG and he'll be that his whole career. However, I'd like to see him at the 2 in spurts next season while Landry runs the offense. Probably would be irrelevant with Hubbs though. Trae is a player regardless of position. The kid can just play ball.
 
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