Tragic Story of incompetence by LSU football.

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05_never_again said:
I don't know. I'd definitely have them seen by someone, which he was. Having dizzy spells and vomiting a lot is also a sign of vertigo, which in the vast majority of cases doesn't mean the person has a brain tumor. That's what they thought he had. Also, BK other members of the coaching staff were in the hospital with him after the surgery. That isn't being disputed. The contact broke off after Brooks's family lawyered up, which was soon after the surgery, and I'm sure BK was doing that on advice of LSU's counsel.

If somebody is at fault here, it seems like it is way more likely to be LSU's training staff or the hospital. BK doesn't have the expertise or authority to know what to do about an injury or illness to a player. Part of the lawsuit is alleging that the surgeon at the hospital wasn't qualified to perform the surgery.

Again, BK is an obvious punching bad, which I get, but I don't see how this is his fault.
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I don’t give a damn if I was advised not to do so, I’d be in contact with the young man who gave everything for the team. It happened under BK watch so he should be held somewhat responsible. 39 days? That’s ridiculous to me.
 
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Orangecrush#27 said:
I don’t give a damn if I was advised not to do so, I’d be in contact with the young man who gave everything for the team. It happened under BK watch so he should be held somewhat responsible. 39 days? That’s ridiculous to me.
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Dude, he isn't a doctor. He has no authority (nor should he) to make the training staff do anything.

Again, not a doctor, but I'm assuming there's a whole medical work up that goes on in situations like this. In a healthy 20-something person, I don't think the diagnosis goes to "brain tumor" after dizzy/fainting/nausea spells. I've known a lot of people who have gone through episodes of this, sometimes for weeks at a time. They have vertigo. None have had brain tumors.
 
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bamawriter said:
In fairness to the LSU training staff, they would have sent Brooks to the local hospital, Our Lady of the Lake. But Our Lady of the Lake couldn't treat him because they were underfunded as a result of all the money embezzled from the hospital to pay football players.
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Are the two connected? I would have expected a more boring name like "LSU Hospital."
Or did some booster at the hospital embezzle money and pay players?
Is there money in the athletic department that is supposed to go to the hospital and went to players instead?
There's an LSU Medical Center in New Orleans. (1.5-2 hour drive from Baton Rouge) I knew someone who worked there, but she was a researcher...I'm not sure if they see patients or not.
 
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woodpusher said:
Are the two connected? I would have expected a more boring name like "LSU Hospital."
Or did some booster at the hospital embezzle money and pay players?
Is there money in the athletic department that is supposed to go to the hospital and went to players instead?
There's an LSU Medical Center in New Orleans. (1.5-2 hour drive from Baton Rouge) I knew someone who worked there, but she was a researcher...I'm not sure if they see patients or not.
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It's a teaching hospital for LSU and several other schools in the area. I don't think it is directly affiliated with the university.

The President of the hospital's foundation (who is an LSU booster/fan) embezzled money from the hospital and used some of it to pay players.
 
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05_never_again said:
Dude, he isn't a doctor. He has no authority (nor should he) to make the training staff do anything.

Again, not a doctor, but I'm assuming there's a whole medical work up that goes on in situations like this. In a healthy 20-something person, I don't think the diagnosis goes to "brain tumor" after dizzy/fainting/nausea spells. I've known a lot of people who have gone through episodes of this, sometimes for weeks at a time. They have vertigo. None have had brain tumors.
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I totally disagree . This wouldn’t be such an issue if negligence wasn’t so blatantly obvious. From the training staff waiting 39 days to send a kid to the hospital after he’s been fainting and having dizzy spells for so long. Then the doctor that does the surgery is not qualified for the surgery. Negligence all around. I respect your opinion but I don’t have to agree with it.
 
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Orangecrush#27 said:
I totally disagree . This wouldn’t be such an issue if negligence wasn’t so blatantly obvious. From the training staff waiting 39 days to send a kid to the hospital after he’s been fainting and having dizzy spells for so long. Then the doctor that does the surgery is not qualified for the surgery. Negligence all around. I respect your opinion but I don’t have to agree with it.
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We don't know if any of the bolded part is true. In particular the doctor not being qualified. This is all just their side of the story. If that part is true (which seems subjective and hard to prove), then they'll get something in the lawsuit, and should.

My point is that we have the advantage of knowing with hindsight what happened, and it is super easy to point fingers. Especially at a guy like BK who is an a-hole anyway.
 
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05_never_again said:
We don't know if any of the bolded part is true. In particular the doctor not being qualified. This is all just their side of the story. If that part is true (which seems subjective and hard to prove), then they'll get something in the lawsuit, and should.

My point is that we have the advantage of knowing with hindsight what happened, and it is super easy to point fingers. Especially at a guy like BK who is an a-hole anyway.
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everything was a fact , except maybe if you wanna toe the line and act like maybe the doctor was very qualified. But the rest is absolutely true. 39 days to send a kid to the hospital after he’s been fainting, puking, and having dizzy spells is negligence. He should’ve been sent to the hospital after he fainted the first time.
 
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Orangecrush#27 said:
everything was a fact , except maybe if you wanna toe the line and act like maybe the doctor was very qualified. But the rest is absolutely true. 39 days to send a kid to the hospital after he’s been fainting, puking, and having dizzy spells is negligence. He should’ve been sent to the hospital after he fainted the first time.
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You (or nobody else) don't know if any of it is true. Especially the part about the doc being unqualified.
 
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05_never_again said:
I do think BK is an a-hole, but it seems entirely possible he hasn't been in contact with Brooks's family because they've sued LSU. Brooks's dad said himself that he hasn't been in contact since shortly after the surgery, and that's exactly when they sued. He did visit Brooks in the hospital.

When a young person in great health suffers from nausea and headaches, is the first thought "Oh, I bet that's a brain tumor?" This is such a sad situation, and I feel horrible for Brooks and his family, but is it really anyone's fault?
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In the Asst. Coaches vast medical experyise, his 1st thought was "you got vertigo...go back to practice." 39 days of football coach medical analysis. It is absolutely the coaching staffs fault for continuing to medically self diagnose a player suffering the same symptoms day in and day out for 39 days. By day 3, maybe even day 5 at the worst, they should have had him medically evaluated.
 
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05_never_again said:
Even if that is true, I don't see how that would be Kelly's fault. He isn't a doctor and has no expertise or authority to make that call.

If someone is at fault here, and that is really up for debate, it seems like it would be LSU's medical staff or Our Lady of the Lake.
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Then why did he make the call NOT to send him to the doctor for 39 days. He is the Head Coach. It rests on his shoulders with his training staff.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
39 days not 1 day. Monitor and evaluate. If anything, you don't tell them walk it off and go back in.
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According to the dad, they never got a call till they did send him to the doctor and emergency surgery was ordered. 39 days, and not one phone call to say your kid has been having prolonged issues and we need to meet and decide a course of action for your kid.
 
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05_never_again said:
I don't know. I'd definitely have them seen by someone, which he was. Having dizzy spells and vomiting a lot is also a sign of vertigo, which in the vast majority of cases doesn't mean the person has a brain tumor. That's what they thought he had. Also, BK other members of the coaching staff were in the hospital with him after the surgery. That isn't being disputed. The contact broke off after Brooks's family lawyered up, which was soon after the surgery, and I'm sure BK was doing that on advice of LSU's counsel.

If somebody is at fault here, it seems like it is way more likely to be LSU's training staff or the hospital. BK doesn't have the expertise or authority to know what to do about an injury or illness to a player. Part of the lawsuit is alleging that the surgeon at the hospital wasn't qualified to perform the surgery.

Again, BK is an obvious punching bad, which I get, but I don't see how this is his fault.
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He won't be at fault for hte permanent injury. He will be at fault for negligence in not making a decision or contacting the parents sooner as the symptoms continued daily an extended period. The university will be at fault because the coaching staff, including the training and medical staff, made medical decisions, and assumed, that it was just vertigo without diagonsis.
 
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GVF said:
According to the dad, they never got a call till they did send him to the doctor and emergency surgery was ordered. 39 days, and not one phone call to say your kid has been having prolonged issues and we need to meet and decide a course of action for your kid.
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So it appears he's a chit father. You didn't talk to your kid in that time?
 
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GVF said:
Then why did he make the call NOT to send him to the doctor for 39 days. He is the Head Coach. It rests on his shoulders with his training staff.
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No it doesn't. Any medical decision about a player lies with the training staff, as it should. You really want HCs deciding if a guy is hurt or not, or can play or not?
 
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YankeeVol said:
So it appears he's a chit father. You didn't talk to your kid in that time?
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Good point as well. That wasn't asked in the interview. From epxerience though, I know how easy it would be to let a month pass. Especially when you have a fiercly independent child. But, I also have a wife that would call him no less than every other day whether he liked it or not.

But, if they did talk regular, you'd think it's fair to assume the kid informed his dad he was crap and at some point the light would have flipped on.
 
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05_never_again said:
No it doesn't. Any medical decision about a player lies with the training staff, as it should. You really want HCs deciding if a guy is hurt or not, or can play or not?
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He's the CEO. Criminal negligence. No different than in industry. A plant manager may not make the call on an issue that causes injury in his plant, but if it happens he can go to jail for it. Not his call to clear to play or practice. Agreed. But, it is his job to ensure HIS medical staff is on top of things. I don't know the heirarchy, maybe the university hires all athletic medical staff. We do know the HC cannot tell the med staff to let someone play. Even if, that's the case, a tuned in HC would question the prolonged issue and shouldn't they consider getting him evaluated. And hte med staff should have already known there medical limitations and made that call without delay after the symptoms continued. They all got a hand in this.

And to Yankee's point, did the father and son not talk at all in those 39 days?

But, if BK got away Scot Free on the ND death, he's in no real danger here. It'll roll down hill.
 
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