Transfer Portal is a disaster

[hog88]

Doubtful. It's not good competitively. The NIL market continues to be stupid crazy because everyone wants a competitive advantage.

The long-term contract is not advantageous to the players and the players get nothing in return for restricting themselves.

Schools that don't do suggest a long-term contract would have an advantage.

Then it won't be a thing.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs." 1 Timothy 6:10 When you trade money for spiritual wealth, this is what happens. To think NCAA, UT Sports, etc., is immune from lusting after money, you would be naïve and mistaken. I enjoy high school sports and activities that have not been dominated by money. Give me a fishing pole or a hike in the woods any day over pay for play. Love my Vols but, find myself supporting the lessor funded sports. NFL/NBA are a joke.

Did you seriously think some UT players haven't been getting money from boosters previously?

Do you think we signed the players as a "clean program" before?

 

[Hairy Vols]

"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs." 1 Timothy 6:10 When you trade money for spiritual wealth, this is what happens. To think NCAA, UT Sports, etc., is immune from lusting after money, you would be naïve and mistaken. I enjoy high school sports and activities that have not been dominated by money. Give me a fishing pole or a hike in the woods any day over pay for play. Love my Vols but, find myself supporting the lessor funded sports. NFL/NBA are a joke.

Fantasy land. The only joke is you pretending people don’t need money to survive. Those that go without. Who have had to sleep in their cars, not been able to put food on the table for their families, not known where their next meal would come from would argue that money and the security it brings is a necessity in this society we live in.

If you want to change the rules of society and go away to a more socialist country then sure. Money doesn’t matter.. but in the world where money can buy you and your loved ones security it is an absolute need.

These players will only continue to get paid more and more. Nothing will stop that now. I’d say just stop watching because that will never change at this point.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Fantasy land. The only joke is you pretending people don’t need money to survive. Those that go without. Who have had to sleep in their cars, not been able to put food on the table for their families, not known where their next meal would come from would argue that money and the security it brings is a necessity in this society we live in.

If you want to change the rules of society and go away to a more socialist country then sure. Money doesn’t matter.. but in the world where money can buy you and your loved ones security it is an absolute need.

These players will only continue to get paid more and more. Nothing will stop that now. I’d say just stop watching because that will never change at this point.

It'll change. It changed to this from the old system pretty quickly. Employee status will change it quickly too.

It's not good for most athletes in the long run. Schools like Carson-Newman won't be able to pay players but the courts are going to have a hard time "carving out" which school is which in this mess.

Lots of non-revenue or limited revenue athletes will lose out on scholarships and the programs will likely be dropped at many schools because they can't afford to pay.

There's a reason why so many start up leagues fail. Without that massive media money that only a few colleges have and even with that money, if UT is forced to pay all the team sports they will cut some of them.

It's coming. It's been screwed up by those in charge but it's not a good thing for college athletes in general.

I believe it ends up with colleges getting out of sports but to what extent I'm not sure. That's a very, very sad thing for kids who could have opportunities to study AND compete.

 

[volfan102455]

Fantasy land. The only joke is you pretending people don’t need money to survive. Those that go without. Who have had to sleep in their cars, not been able to put food on the table for their families, not known where their next meal would come from would argue that money and the security it brings is a necessity in this society we live in.

If you want to change the rules of society and go away to a more socialist country then sure. Money doesn’t matter.. but in the world where money can buy you and your loved ones security it is an absolute need.

These players will only continue to get paid more and more. Nothing will stop that now. I’d say just stop watching because that will never change at this point.

As the players get paid more and more, the opportunities for all them will dwindle. If you think all universities / colleges that offer sports can continue to participate and offer the same breadth of sports-based opportunities they now do, I don't what to tell you. There are few selected sports at UT that FUNDS all other sports. When that money goes to pay the players that participate in those sports - there is nothing left to fund other sports - leaving those athletes with limited to no opportunity to use their skills to obtain a scholarship and chance at an education that may provide them an opportunity to break the cycle that you mention above.

Couple that with the NIL collective organizations that are asking the same folks that donate to the fund that supports college STUDENT athletes to instead donate to the collectives so that the money can go to a FEW and not to ALL.

This is not about socialist verses capitalism - it is about a system that gives young folks an opportunity to be whatever they want to be and better themselves through education. That is what is being destroyed and that is just wrong.

And it may not be a matter of folks stopping watching sports but more a matter of a more limited number of teams and sports out there for folks to watch.

 

[87&91ALUM]

Did you seriously think some UT players haven't been getting money from boosters previously?

Do you think we signed the players as a "clean program" before?

No and no. But to deny the impact of millions of dollars given to young people who are probably not prepared to manage that money and all the other people benefitting from millions is burying your head in the sand. At some point what goes around comes around and people will want to participate and give to those programs that are not based on millions but hundreds of dollars. The scripture is right on when it comes to huge amounts of money going to influence former colleges and high schools that were not gift millions of dollars. I remember all the hoopla in Tuscaloosa when the Chevy dealer was putting football star in expensive cars. Now they are putting them in jets and bling. "Clean?" Nothing is clean or pure except Jesus and he is probably in Heaven just SHH. I have no problem with lottery winners and lucky athletes getting rich. I just hope folks are there to help them manage that money, ditto manage the college and university, such that the money becomes a positive thing that provides insurance and protection for universities and athletes and doesn't turn into something more like a boat anchor around their necks.

 

[Majors]

"More rights for the athletes."
"They bring in the money. Pay them."



Fans and the public got what they asked for. Now deal with it.

Coach can leave, why can’t we?

Now they can

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

No and no. But to deny the impact of millions of dollars given to young people who are probably not prepared to manage that money and all the other people benefitting from millions is burying your head in the sand. At some point what goes around comes around and people will want to participate and give to those programs that are not based on millions but hundreds of dollars. The scripture is right on when it comes to huge amounts of money going to influence former colleges and high schools that were not gift millions of dollars. I remember all the hoopla in Tuscaloosa when the Chevy dealer was putting football star in expensive cars. Now they are putting them in jets and bling. "Clean?" Nothing is clean or pure except Jesus and he is probably in Heaven just SHH. I have no problem with lottery winners and lucky athletes getting rich. I just hope folks are there to help them manage that money, ditto manage the college and university, such that the money becomes a positive thing that provides insurance and protection for universities and athletes and doesn't turn into something more like a boat anchor around their necks.

There's no denying it now, nor for decades. Money has been coming into college football by the millions for many years.

It seems "everything changes" for some people when money starts flowing openly to players.

There was no outcry about huge TV deals for the athletic department or massive coaching salaries but players, that's where we draw the line?

It's bad for college football. It will destroy college football but the start of the ball rolling was when a school starting getting millions and millions of dollars for "amateur" athletics and coaches starting being the highest paid state employees.

I'm just wondering how no one, including me, saw this coming?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

This.. the whole "ruining" college football narrative is so extreme lol

Yeah because clearly college football is much better now

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Coach can leave, why can’t we?

Now they can

And look how it’s working out? Terribly. And it’s only gonna get worse.

 

[Majors]

And look how it’s working out? Terribly. And it’s only gonna get worse.

Absolutely

 

[Hairy Vols]

As the players get paid more and more, the opportunities for all them will dwindle. If you think all universities / colleges that offer sports can continue to participate and offer the same breadth of sports-based opportunities they now do, I don't what to tell you. There are few selected sports at UT that FUNDS all other sports. When that money goes to pay the players that participate in those sports - there is nothing left to fund other sports - leaving those athletes with limited to no opportunity to use their skills to obtain a scholarship and chance at an education that may provide them an opportunity to break the cycle that you mention above.

Couple that with the NIL collective organizations that are asking the same folks that donate to the fund that supports college STUDENT athletes to instead donate to the collectives so that the money can go to a FEW and not to ALL.

This is not about socialist verses capitalism - it is about a system that gives young folks an opportunity to be whatever they want to be and better themselves through education. That is what is being destroyed and that is just wrong.

And it may not be a matter of folks stopping watching sports but more a matter of a more limited number of teams and sports out there for folks to watch.

If those sports are losing money and can’t survive on their own that is unfortunate. Players who generate BILLIONS of dollars of revenue should not do without just because another sports program is losing money hand over fist.

if your best argument is “what about players who aren’t generating revenue” then you have a poor argument. Maybe they should do some fundraisers and sell some candy bars. That’s what high school teams do after all.

 

[Hairy Vols]

It'll change. It changed to this from the old system pretty quickly. Employee status will change it quickly too.

It's not good for most athletes in the long run. Schools like Carson-Newman won't be able to pay players but the courts are going to have a hard time "carving out" which school is which in this mess.

Lots of non-revenue or limited revenue athletes will lose out on scholarships and the programs will likely be dropped at many schools because they can't afford to pay.

There's a reason why so many start up leagues fail. Without that massive media money that only a few colleges have and even with that money, if UT is forced to pay all the team sports they will cut some of them.

It's coming. It's been screwed up by those in charge but it's not a good thing for college athletes in general.

I believe it ends up with colleges getting out of sports but to what extent I'm not sure. That's a very, very sad thing for kids who could have opportunities to study AND compete.

Carson Newman has rarely been in the conversation for getting D1 atheltes so not sure what this has to do with them. Exactly how many NFL Starters have they pumped out?

You did nothing but assuming at the end so the point of opportunities to “study and compete” is irrelevant.

What athletes is it not good for? The ones not getting paid? The ones in sports that lose revenue? Like I said before they can do fund raisers in their spare time.

I could argue you could ask every single football and basketball player at the school.. hell EVERY D1 school what they think of the NIL… you seem to enjoy assuming, why not assume now what their answer would be.

 

[TheFlash1971]

For those of you who think the TP and NIL is a great idea, let’s discuss how crappy it’s become in just 2.5 years. We have gone from players wanting some money shares for jersey sales and player cards signings for money to pay for play and basically uncontrolled free agency! Bowl season was laughable with players opting out during the game. Starting QBs for new years six games transferring out. Now Quinshon from Mississippi has left and he’s leaving what I feel a very real contender for the Natty next year.

If we don’t get some sort of overseeing body on this soon, college football will not survive!

Thoughts?

He is going to OSU , Ole Miss is not winning a Natty. They’re still Ole Miss.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Carson Newman has rarely been in the conversation for getting D1 atheltes so not sure what this has to do with them. Exactly how many NFL Starters have they pumped out?

You did nothing but assuming at the end so the point of opportunities to “study and compete” is irrelevant.

What athletes is it not good for? The ones not getting paid? The ones in sports that lose revenue? Like I said before they can do fund raisers in their spare time.

I could argue you could ask every single football and basketball player at the school.. hell EVERY D1 school what they think of the NIL… you seem to enjoy assuming, why not assume now what their answer would be.

You don't seem to understand a bigger picture than "athletes getting money is good."

When the courts declare "college athletes are employees" schools like Carson-Newman lack the athletic department budget to pay any team sport. They won't be able to field teams because they can't pay them.

Your "they're not D1 athletes" isn't the point. The experience of being a college athlete and the ability to earn a scholarship and get to college will be lost for LOTS of men and women. That's sad.

If you think, "only the big schools will be hurt," do you think the NIL rules don't apply to Carson-Newman? They do.

Think a little bit beyond, if you can, and see that the structure of college athletics at most colleges isn't like UT or Bama. They aren't making money from the athletic department and when the courts say "college athletes are employees" those schools won't be able to afford the payroll.

That's sad for WAY WAY WAY more young men and women who are grateful to be earning a scholarship ANYWHERE to play a sport.

It's not a good thing for many PEOPLE. Real people. Young people who aren't elite athletes, maybe need that scholarship to get an education, and are willing to work just as hard as the elite athletes to earn it.

 

[hog88]

Carson Newman has rarely been in the conversation for getting D1 atheltes so not sure what this has to do with them. Exactly how many NFL Starters have they pumped out?

You did nothing but assuming at the end so the point of opportunities to “study and compete” is irrelevant.

What athletes is it not good for? The ones not getting paid? The ones in sports that lose revenue? Like I said before they can do fund raisers in their spare time.

I could argue you could ask every single football and basketball player at the school.. hell EVERY D1 school what they think of the NIL… you seem to enjoy assuming, why not assume now what their answer would be.

19

 

[Hairy Vols]

19

8 drafted.

Zero drafted since 2003.

All since 1960.

My point remains. Those numbers will be the same and they are irrelevant in the conversation at hand.

 

[Hairy Vols]

You don't seem to understand a bigger picture than "athletes getting money is good."

When the courts declare "college athletes are employees" schools like Carson-Newman lack the athletic department budget to pay any team sport. They won't be able to field teams because they can't pay them.

Your "they're not D1 athletes" isn't the point. The experience of being a college athlete and the ability to earn a scholarship and get to college will be lost for LOTS of men and women. That's sad.

If you think, "only the big schools will be hurt," do you think the NIL rules don't apply to Carson-Newman? They do.

Think a little bit beyond, if you can, and see that the structure of college athletics at most colleges isn't like UT or Bama. They aren't making money from the athletic department and when the courts say "college athletes are employees" those schools won't be able to afford the payroll.

That's sad for WAY WAY WAY more young men and women who are grateful to be earning a scholarship ANYWHERE to play a sport.

It's not a good thing for many PEOPLE. Real people. Young people who aren't elite athletes, maybe need that scholarship to get an education, and are willing to work just as hard as the elite athletes to earn it.

And you have zero way to know that they still won’t be able to get scholarships for sports regardless if players get paid.

Until scholarships start falling in masses for those student athletes I don’t want to hear it. Regardless they deserve to get paid. So there in no valid argument for them not being paid.

The majority of their sports are paid for by the revenue of the college teams. Not donations. That won’t change.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

And you have zero way to know that they still won’t be able to get scholarships for sports regardless if players get paid.

Until scholarships start falling in masses for those student athletes I don’t want to hear it. Regardless they deserve to get paid. So there in no valid argument for them not being paid.

The majority of their sports are paid for by the revenue of the college teams. Not donations. That won’t change.

I'm not saying they won't get paid and don't legally deserve to get paid.

I'm saying there are ramifications beyond just "players getting money is legally correct."

Colleges without massive academic department earnings won't be able to pay players. That should be obvious. ESPECIALLY, if players unionize across the nation and negotiate wages, which they no doubt will do.

I appreciate your attitude which seems to be: don't worry about the fire, just strike the match already. It's short-sighted, but you're welcome to it.

Payment for players is likely coming and likely possible to sustain at B1G and SEC schools. There are many, many more programs which will never be able to fund players at their market value.

 

[NetworkVol]

Coaches hated the forward pass too. The pass was brought in to slow down the number of deaths college football had. Later, because teams like TN and Alabama had so many scholarship players it was decided that there had to be a limit to the number of scholarships a team could give out, etc. Then the pesky overtime and then instant replay. College football has always evolved.

Nico would be a 2 star if there was no forward pass

 

[Swiftybaby]

If we had the success like ole miss has had this off season a lot of people here would be singin a different tune

 

[volfan102455]

The reality is as follows - I dare say this has more than likely not changed or improved:

One report says only 65 of the FBS football programs made money. Another says that may be as low as 14 schools. The 65 is from 2020. The 14 was from 2010. 10 apart still nowhere close to 100% of the larger schools making money.

The only profitable sports, from one report are Football and Men's Basketball. And for Men's basketball the percentage of who makes money is about the same as football.

The same report says that the median expense per student athlete in 2009 was $76,000. That was 15 years ago so it is undoubtedly much higher today.

So where is ALL this money to pay players coming from? It is not in the money being made by the programs because most do not make money.

Everyone looks at this from the viewpoint of those few schools and select programs in Football and Men's Basketball where money is made - when no other sports make money and lots of programs do not.

Go ahead continuing saying "pay them" but just know paying college football players will more than likely result with that sport being the only sport played and it being played only at a limited number of universities.

Would make the playoff easier, just divide the 65 into 12 conferences of 5 to 6 teams each. Let those teams play home and away games - then the 12 champions play for the championship. Basketball would not need March Madness or maybe it would be that ALL teams could participate.

No baseball, no softball, no women's sports at all.

 

[Hairy Vols]

I'm not saying they won't get paid and don't legally deserve to get paid.

I'm saying there are ramifications beyond just "players getting money is legally correct."

Colleges without massive academic department earnings won't be able to pay players. That should be obvious. ESPECIALLY, if players unionize across the nation and negotiate wages, which they no doubt will do.

I appreciate your attitude which seems to be: don't worry about the fire, just strike the match already. It's short-sighted, but you're welcome to it.

Payment for players is likely coming and likely possible to sustain at B1G and SEC schools. There are many, many more programs which will never be able to fund players at their market value.

But they haven’t been able to compete anyways, so what’s really changed, ya know brother?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

But they haven’t been able to compete anyways, so what’s really changed, ya know brother?

I assume you've simply never known anyone who appreciated the chance to come from high school to a school, any school not just a major contender, on an athletic scholarship.

It represents accomplishment and to some people an opportunity they would not get for an education without an athletic scholarship. Besides the bonds of hard work and training with teammates, they get self development and pride that comes with having earned that scholarship.

With employee status and schools that don't have the athletic budget to pay players, they won't be offering scholarships. They can't. Many schools don't make money playing football and basketball, much less tennis or volleyball.

Those opportunities, those scholarships, those students, those games will be gone by default. They simply will not legally be able to field football and basketball because most schools can't afford to pay the athletes.

You can't spin it as good for lots of schools to shut down programs so a few can pay players even if that is the correct legal thing to do.

 

[Voltopia]

Those opportunities, those scholarships, those students, those games will be gone by default. They simply will not legally be able to field football and basketball because most schools can't afford to pay the athletes.

You can't spin it as good for lots of schools to shut down programs so a few can pay players even if that is the correct legal thing to do.

At which point the schools need to suck it up, cut football and basketball loose to be their own privately run businesses, and get back to the work of building donations and alumni support for the "student-athlete" acceptable sports. If college football and college basketball want to exist solely for the purpose of profiting their coaches and their players, then it has nothing - NOTHING - to do with the either the school or the other sports. Once upon a time, it was all one big mission to support collegiate athletics, and the school put all the revenue into one big pot to promote their athletics department as a whole - but since supporting the department and the opportunities it affords its students is irrelevant now, then let the reverse also be true. The knife cuts both ways.

Let the money-oriented wild west sports go be their own thing, and let the schools get back to actual collegiate athletics. Like it was back before they slapped skirts on college football and basketball and put them on the street corner.